Canon R5 Announced with 8k

[mico]

Love the camera. Not bitchin about anything just discussing For discussions sake.
Focus assist only, no peaking when they do have it In their other cameras. And if u do want Peaking an external monitor is necessary but you’ve got a micro hdmi port to deal with. Wanna use pl glass and non electronic lenses peaking is hugely helpful with full frame.
No 4K raw but you can shoot 8k non raw and resize down in post saving card space. But why canon
Seems only 12 stops dr In video Mode.

Seems they’re protecting their c300/500 feature sets But for the price of the r5 it’s to be expected.

 

[Run&Gun]

As expected, 8-bit in the normal modes but 10-bit is available in HDR PQ (when Canon LOG is OFF), but this is another workflow you'd have to look into. And of course when Canon LOG is ON.

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One weird quirk about the camera so far that may annoy some people (some of those lenses provide up to 8 stops of IS!):

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https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/09/canon-eos-r5-officially-announced/

I’ve been reading TDP review/preview. IBIS is tied to the lens, so you can turn it on and off via the lens, also. But I guess in the end, it’s still an ‘all or nothing’ thing. And I haven’t seen it mentioned, is this implementation sensor based(the sensor physically moves) or is it electronic(cropping).

Also ran across some possible weasels. One being the AF. In the Canon press release referring to the AF, it says “approx. 100% coverage of the AF area”. It doesn’t say 100% of the image area or frame and doesn’t define the AF area. The AF area could be the entire frame, just a pixel in the dead center or anything in-between.

Flash sync isn’t available with full electronic shutter. So RS performance probably is less than stellar.

 

[toke lahti]

#1
No 4k RAW?

#2
No RAW in R6?

 

[ahalpert]

But why canon
Seems only 12 stops dr In video Mode.

I think because it only shoots Canon Log which is only 12 stops DR. But yes, protecting the higher-ups

 

[ahalpert]

Also ran across some possible weasels. One being the AF. In the Canon press release referring to the AF, it says “approx. 100% coverage of the AF area”. It doesn’t say 100% of the image area or frame and doesn’t define the AF area. The AF area could be the entire frame, just a pixel in the dead center or anything in-between.

I think AF is the whole frame based on the demo image below. It's also supposedly a new "DPAF II" so its probably sweet.

 

[ahalpert]

#2
No RAW in R6?

Even if they wanted to put it in, the SD cards couldn't handle the bitrate

 

[NorBro]

Also ran across some possible weasels. One being the AF. In the Canon press release referring to the AF, it says “approx. 100% coverage of the AF area”. It doesn’t say 100% of the image area or frame and doesn’t define the AF area. The AF area could be the entire frame, just a pixel in the dead center or anything in-between.

In the older cameras the AF didn't cover the entire screen like in your 5D Mark IV.

They keep getting more coverage with each newer model...from the 1DX Mark II to the 5D to now this...100% is the best there is.

 

[mico]

Just watched a video of someone who had a pre production model and it seems there is focus peaking and several other focusing tools. Im about to press the preorder button. Or should I wait for.....

 

[NorBro]

Yeah, on the last page I mentioned I didn't think that was correct about the focus peaking...since the EOS R has it.

Get one of them!

 

[Run&Gun]

So in the older cameras, the AF didn't cover the entire screen like in your 5D Mark IV.

It keeps getting more coverage with each newer model...from the 1DX Mark II to the 5D to now this...100% is the best there is.

Yes, one would think that with mirrorless, since the camera can read off of the actual sensor that AF coverage would be 100% of the sensor/image area, BUT we all know how Canon can stick a gotcha in there, which is why I brought it up(wasn’t saying it wasn’t 100%, but that there could be the possibility of it not being). If a press release or specs(from any manufacturer) don’t definitively say something, I take that as a possible gotcha or loophole on their part. I just found it odd that they said it the way that they said it instead of removing all doubt and saying approx. 100% of the image area, or frame. Maybe I’m just too cynical and always think that when manufacturers don't specifically spell something out, they’re hiding something.

 

[NorBro]

But they directly said it was 100%?

 

[NorBro]

I see the "approximately" you're talking about in the other text...

Most companies rarely ever say 100% for anything as nothing in life is ever 100% and it's philosophically 99.9%.

100% just looks better. Like 23.976 vs. 24.

 

[NorBro]

If true, R6 just got downgraded...

ALL-I is not available in 4K and only in some HD framerates. (So IPB in 4K.)



https://www.newsshooter.com/2020/07/09/canon-eos-r6-announced/

 

[ahalpert]

ALL-I is only available in timelapse modes and HD 120fps. So it's not available in HD 24p. The R6 is an IPB camera

 

[NorBro]

Yeah, it's so hard to believe that (no All-I in HD besides 120p)...but I don't doubt they have the camera to check.

 

[Carlos Morillo]

Canon R5 recording internally or a Fujifilm GFX 100 recording ProRes RAW to a Ninja V?

I know it's an odd question as the two are in different categories both in price and function but for video in a stills camera form factor, I'm curious, not factoring in cost, if people would prefer the Canon R5 recording internally or a Fujifilm GFX 100 recording ProRes RAW to a Ninja V?
Obviously if the camera was just for video, it would be smarter to get a video camera. I'm assuming the Canon will have the edge in autofocus, ibis, etc. but the general look of the larger sensor in the GFX 100 is a big hook for me more so than slow mo and 8k.
The R5 seems more practical though.

 

[NorBro]

I have put the GFX 100 in and out of my cart about 20x since it was released, but everything I watched kept looking mediocre, and at some point I realized that I just don't see this big sensor look in the footage that I'd like to.

But on paper, trust me that I wanted it.

GFX 100's IBIS is not good...like Sony's. I don't know how the X-T4's compares. No comparison with AF.

It would be a better head-to-head if the camera cost less than $5,000 and had decently inexpensive AF lenses, but the entire package would be like $12K+. Might as well get a true cinema camera at that point.

 

[ahalpert]

I dunno. Only considering the image, the GFX100 in ProRes raw would be cool. Considering AF, I think the R5 wins. Considering price and form factor, it's the R5 by a mile. Considering rolling shutter, the R6 wins.

 

[ahalpert]

The R6 is looking like the winner to me. The only problem is it generates headlines like this "Canon’s EOS R6 Captures 4K At A Discount" and perceptions matter

 

[Run&Gun]

But they directly said it was 100%?

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Copy paste directly from the Canon press release that was on TDP that I was referencing:

approximately 100 percent coverage of the AF area

Canon never says 100% of the frame or image area in their press release. I think in the end, it’s a moot point, because it does appear to actually be the whole frame. I just found it slightly odd the way they stated it and I saw the opening for a “gotcha”.