Canon R5 Announced with 8k

I wanted to post this earlier regarding 10-bit...

This is from the 1DX Mark III ($6,499).

Notice the specs changing when Canon Log is used. In the manual, they reference 10-bit being enabled with C-Log.

Those are the kind of asterisks I've always talked about with Canon over the years that you don't really think of, but at the same time I guess they can't give away everything from the Cinema EOS' main line.

This could also change in this new camera(s) as far as we know (and maybe we'll know Thursday!).

1DX Mark III Note.jpg
 
Yep, we will have to wait on the 8bit info. Not exactly something they are going to lead with... The C200 was the same approach of RAW + 8bit, so you may be correct. And the air starts to flow out... :)
 
I'm mostly being optimistic for you...but it's definitely 8-bit in the neutral/etc profiles. lol

It's just how they think and make cameras. Still loaded though.
 
I'm not personally expecting a hugely different approach from the 1DXmk3. Another point for the A7SIII...

It's funny. I didnt know the Canons were 10-bit in log only. Because it's been so long since I seriously considered their DSLRs.
 
The Canon stills cameras are barely 10-bit. lol

- Two are 8-bit 4:2:2 (5D Mark IV and XC10/15).
- One is 10-bit 4:2:2 only externally (EOS R).
- And one is 10-bit 4:2:2 for $6,499 only released this year (1DX).

That's why absolutely nothing makes sense about the R5. But when you hold back your cameras for so long, people get excited about very normal specs (besides the 8K of course).
 
1DC was 8-bit 4:2:2 too, so three. But that was a different world and the camera was one of a kind back then...but still extremely overpriced for $14,999 (originally).

[Same year as the BMCC for $2,999.]
 
The camera does have 10 bit 4:2:2 in C-LOG, 4k120 and HDR, so technically it is a 10 bit camera. The profile shooting is left out of any specs list I could find, so the odds are probably towards 8 bit. But, I often shoot LOG with my GH5 for best quality, so that is not a stretch by any means.
 
NorBro has already done a good job summarising, so this is more like venting....

The Canon R5 will offer the same legacy shooting modes we've had since the 5DmkII. They are all 8bit. Same as always.

10bit compressed shooting (not referring to the compressed Canon Raw Light here) in Canon DSLRs and Mirrorless is a "new" with the last generation. It's a mode you put your camera into—one of many.

The R5 will be an 8bit LongGop, 10bit HEVC intra frame and 12bit raw camera. Up to you to configure.

Aiming for high quality video with the R5, shooting Canon Log is the only thing that makes sense. Well, most of the time. Shooting Log allows the camera to "see" scene lighting the same way humans do. In that way, it's linear to our perception of scene illumination (but not linear to how the sensor captures data). Going for a non-log transfer curve gives up a lot of flexibility in post. Then again, reading the posts here, creating a baked in image might be desirable sometimes. Who's to say that is "wrong"? Uo to the shooter.

The easiest way to think of Canon Raw Light is: "high" bit depth, "low" compression, large gamut, log encoding. Most of us would not want 25 .cr3 frames in 8K captured per second.

You can develop Canon's Log flavors in many ways: manually or via transforms. Many will peddle some basic-settings-turned-into-LUTs on YouTube and social media. And since they will all have some awkward color cast burned in, people will be all over them and buy them. "Oooohh.... bronze!" "Mmmm.... blue-green shadows!"
 
Wow they have no 10-bit Long-GOP codec either? These cameras are paupers in the codec department compared to what Panasonic is offering
 
No wait that's not true. According to newsshooter, the 1dxmk3 can shoot 10-bit canon log H265 in all-I or ipb codecs:

Canon Log on (H265 MP4)
4K DCI (50/59.94p): ALL-I Approx. 1000 Mbps, IPB Approx. 340 Mbps
4K DCI (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p): ALL-I Approx. 470 Mbps, IPB Approx. 170 Mbps
 
ahalpert said:
No wait that's not true. According to newsshooter, the 1dxmk3 can shoot 10-bit canon log H265 in all-I or ipb codecs:

Canon Log on (H265 MP4)
4K DCI (50/59.94p): ALL-I Approx. 1000 Mbps, IPB Approx. 340 Mbps
4K DCI (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p): ALL-I Approx. 470 Mbps, IPB Approx. 170 Mbps
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I would rely on Canon's tec specs:
Movie Type
RAW: CRM 12bit Audio: Linear PCM
MP 4 Video: 4K (8bit MPEG4 AVC/H.264, 10bit MPEG4/HEVC with Canon log), Full HD - MPEG4 AVC/H.264, Audio: Linear PCM
MP4 Video: Full HD IPB light - MPEG4 AVC/H.264, Audio: AAC
https://www.canon.co.uk/cameras/eos-1d-x-mark-iii/specifications/

The 5D IV has huge data bitrates in all-i but is 8bit only
 
ahalpert said:
Wow they have no 10-bit Long-GOP codec either?
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That might have been in response to my post?

My listing wasn't meant to be exhaustive. It was just to illustrate that it isn't an "8bit camera", "10bit camera" or "raw camera".

There are many shooting modes and frame rates, including both intra and inter frame compression. Actually, I might even add.... "as always".
 
Thanks for the clarification Andree. I still think of the camera in a positive light. The workflow is what will determine how much I like it or not. Shooting LOG in itself is not a problem if preview and starting points in post are not sideways in my eyes. A lot to unpack after the release.
 
Clermond said:
I would rely on Canon's tec specs:
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Haha actually I rely on newsshooter frequently. As long as they've made a post about the latest firmware (if it added framerates or codecs), I find their info comprehensive and accurate. They're usually more useful for codec info than the manufacturer website or B&H IMO
 
AndreeOnline said:
My listing wasn't meant to be exhaustive. It was just to illustrate that it isn't an "8bit camera", "10bit camera" or "raw camera".
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Yes, I was confused when you said "The R5 will be an 8bit LongGop, 10bit HEVC intra frame and 12bit raw camera."

10-bit is more important to me than intra-frame. I don't see a tremendous difference on intra vs inter, unless perhaps there are rapid changes in a complex frame. But if I'm rolling a lot, the data savings is often worth the quality compromise of long-gop.

So, to reassure Bassman - it looks like yes, you can shoot 10-bit with a non-log profile, probably at 170Mbps in 4K24p.

Which sounds good to me, although I would shoot LOG if I dont need it SOOC.

I think Canon has an AF performance advantage over Sony. And preferable lenses.

I increasingly think that rolling shutter performance is the only issue that could drive me to A7SIII or R6
 
ahalpert said:
Haha actually I rely on newsshooter frequently. As long as they've made a post about the latest firmware (if it added framerates or codecs), I find their info comprehensive and accurate. They're usually more useful for codec info than the manufacturer website or B&H IMO
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they don't say anything different.
They are talking about data rates, not bit rates.
What you quoted was LOG only in H265.
I would bet money that the R5 will not be superior to the 1DX M3.
we will see on Thursday.
 
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Bassman2003 said:
I did not see the ability to shoot 10-bit outside of using C-Log. Where did you see that? Even better if true.
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Sorry Bassman, I got my wires crossed (10-bit IPB vs 10-bit non-LOG). It does look like 10-bit may be LOG only on 1dxmk3
 
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Clermond said:
they don't say anything different.
They are talking about data rates, not bit rates.
What you quoted was LOG only in H265.
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You mean they're talking about bitrates not bit-depths?

The difference was that newsshooter broke down compression offerings (all-i and ipb) but that canon list does not mention them. I had misread Andree and thought that 10-bit was all-I only
 
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