Canon R5 Announced with 8k

Liam Hall said:
My Sony cameras have never blinked in the heat. I've had them die in the cold though. My C500MKII coughs and splutters when it's above 35C but still gets the job done. This R5 overheating issue is deja vu all over again. Which is a shame but I don't shoot 4K60 for anything other than short clips, so it might not be a deal-breaker for me. Still deciding...
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I've been impressed with the A7sII. Only time I got overheating, was when I did a long form interview in 4K. Was about 90min in. The reporter didn't tell me he does 3hr interviews, and I thought it was going to be a quick one.

1DC was a travel/doco style camera for me at the time, and I shot in tropical climates, sometimes just a strip of white fabric protecting it from direct sun, and don't recall and overheating ever, really. But also, never really shot long clips, I guess. Kind of funny to think of someone wanting to get an 8K camera for 1hr long takes and then decides on a mirrorless camera, haha, invariably someone will think that is a good idea, and complain about it eventually. There was at least one person who complained about the 1DC not handling intense documentary conditions..... which considering it was a 1DX with a C badge, is kind of crazy it did as well as it did. (The only thing that really bothered me about that camera at the time, was the "cinema" service call center made Best Buy employees seem like NASA engineers by comparison. I'd imagine Canon Cine EOS people have a lot more experience now though, those were eeeaaarly days.)

Speaking of, the image quality of the R5 is giving off 1DC vibes. Really liking it.
 
So it sounds like the R5 has great AF. Awesome, as does the 1DXIII.

But one thing I never see discussed is the AF feature on the Cinema line that I desperately want in the EOS line:

the ability of the AF to not shift focus to another object / wall if a subject leaves the frame.

Not sure what this is called, but I believe the C200 and newer have it, and Sony’s FX9 does as well. Pretty sure the 1DXIII doesn’t.

Does anyone know if the R5 has this functionality?

And if not, can it be added vis firmware?
 
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All new Canon DPAF cameras default to the background. There's no hunting.

I haven't seen the 1DX Mark III hunt in a situation like this either...you did?

It's usually when there is back light or another moving object that is coming towards the lens that will activate the AF system. But in normal conditions, if someone steps out of the frame, the camera just focus on the wall or trees (or whatever).
 
I shouldn’t have said “hunting.” Will edit my post.

In the Cinema cameras, the focus doesn’t shift if subject leaves frame with this particular setting.

In the DSLR / mirrorless ones, that setting doesn’t exist, and yes, focus will shift to the next plane, whether a wall, another object, etc.

Hoping this setting exists in the R5, or can be added via fw.
 
Ah, I got you...

I believe what you're referring to is 'AF Response' on the cinema cameras.

5:20 here, is that correct? https://youtu.be/ylw1sHYWt3M?t=318

If so, in the mirrorless cameras, it's called "tracking sensitivity" but the problem is that it doesn't work with every lens! All RF lenses should definitely have this function enabled.

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Thanks for the video link. You were close!

It’s not AF speed or response. At about 4:05, there’s a menu setting called Face AF, and in there, there’s a “Face Only” option. I think this is it, but he doesn’t quite demonstrate it here. I hade seen it in others, like Matthew Allard’s original review of the C200 on Newsshooter.

Pretty sure the new C cams have it, but my EOS R doesn’t. Not 100% sure about 1DXiii, but didn’t see it in any reviews.
 
Maybe an alternative on the mirrorless' would be to hit the pause button the LCD screen although it's not as convenient.

"Face-only" indeed locks the focus when the subject exists the frame. And the rest work with the tracking sensitivity/response.
 
it's almost one week after the presentation of the R5.
For me the most annoying thing is not the heating issue but all these talking heads
on youtube talking 10mins about overheating.
(Get a life guys and come back when you have the camera.)
 
Run&Gun said:
Canon lenses, Canon adapter, new Canon mirrorless camera with Harry Potter level magic autofocus. I would expect nothing less than adapted Canon EF lenses to work AT LEAST as well on the mirrorless as the native EF bodies, but better is, well... better. I had actually heard reports from users that that they were getting better performance with EF lenses even on the R, as well.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_byYwav5ccM

my impression in this video was that when she put her lens on the r5 it focused better "because" the r5 had "eye detect" and of course the 5DmkIV does not...giving the r5 a great advantage when she was shooting thru a cluster of leaves and branches well in front of he subject. like she was nearly standing in the leaves and branches and the model was 15' away. its easy to see where any cameras AF (without eye detect) would fail or at least snuggle to find the models face let alone her eye. no doubt the eye detection is a potent feature option.
 
Clermond said:
it's almost one week after the presentation of the R5.
For me the most annoying thing is not the heating issue but all these talking heads
on youtube talking 10mins about overheating.
(Get a life guys and come back when you have the camera.)
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They’re only annoying if you watch them. Give me potatojet or give me nobody at all.
 
rob norton said:
They’re only annoying if you watch them. Give me potatojet or give me nobody at all.
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Gene is entertaining but I am giving props to Gerald Undone for causing a coronary among the ZCam fan boys. I was disappointed that he did the follow up,
trying to justify what he said that caused the ZCam fan boys to question their very existence. His review was fair and objective.

I like the ZCams, especially the latest additions, the S6 looks amazing for the money. I would totally consider getting one, but the I have never seen a group of such tribalistic fan boys as the ZCam group.
Not Kinson, he seems pretty smart and objective but the people who have bought ZCams seem to have a nervous breakdown/meltdown if ANYONE so much as suggests that their $2,500.00 camera isn't
the equal of an Alexa Mini, much less have the audacity to suggest improvements and acknowledge shortcomings of the products. It's weird, really weird. Worst
tribalism I have ever seen in a camera. It's a freaking box of electronics, not a lifestyle or religion.
 
I’m excited for the potential of IBIS for helping micro jitters when using the screen for AF changes, where as you have to be really careful on the c200 or you wouldn’t even try to use the screen this way for certain shots.

Now that AF is mature enough, they need to give us a few fine tuning options like when the subject leaves the frame you can set how the camera reacts. For example, do nothing or even a gentle pull towards minimum focus like in some episodic TV transitions, giving a nicer out of focus frame vs going to infinity.

Rather than a minor hack of the system, we can maintain faster response time if required for the subject while they’re in shot while minimising risk of getting burned by it once the subject leaves.

I’m not officially complaining because it’s still a fantastic tool but would be great to further about increase strike rate and I’m sure at this point it’s a firmware update not a major software overhaul/tech hurdle.
 
puredrifting said:
Gene is entertaining but I am giving props to Gerald Undone for causing a coronary among the ZCam fan boys. I was disappointed that he did the follow up,
trying to justify what he said that caused the ZCam fan boys to question their very existence. His review was fair and objective.

I like the ZCams, especially the latest additions, the S6 looks amazing for the money. I would totally consider getting one, but the I have never seen a group of such tribalistic fan boys as the ZCam group.
Not Kinson, he seems pretty smart and objective but the people who have bought ZCams seem to have a nervous breakdown/meltdown if ANYONE so much as suggests that their $2,500.00 camera isn't
the equal of an Alexa Mini, much less have the audacity to suggest improvements and acknowledge shortcomings of the products. It's weird, really weird. Worst
tribalism I have ever seen in a camera. It's a freaking box of electronics, not a lifestyle or religion.
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Haha I wasn’t aware. The only Z boys I’m interested in are Jay Adams and Stacy Peralta.

Gerald is good too. I don’t subscribe to any YT channels, just check a handful periodically. Though if I was researching a purchase for a product in the videographer space, I’ll still open 30 tabs and watch pieces of anyone’s videos just in case you find details others don’t go over.

What I’m trying to say is - most of the youtubers are tools to help with purchases. Some of them are also just tools period.
 
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rob norton said:
Now that AF is mature enough, they need to give us a few fine tuning options like when the subject leaves the frame you can set how the camera reacts. For example, do nothing or even a gentle pull towards minimum focus like in some episodic TV transitions, giving a nicer out of focus frame vs going to infinity.
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This is my issue with video AF: it can do really difficult focus pulling on rapid moves or shallow DOF far more accurately than I can. But how do you get it to rack out of focus? Or from out to in? How do you switch the object you're focused on without tapping the screen? And forget about anticipating a change like someone entering frame.

But the ability to do all those things is there, just not the controller/input to direct it. Even programming in a sequence of objects to follow or marks to hit that the operator could trigger would be great
 
On the last page there was a similar conversation.

In short, you can control the AF and its sensitivity and response pretty well by touching the screen and through the focus mode you're using (face, area, small box) with any combination of settings.

The cinema cameras have one setting that may be of interest and that's tracking a face and then locking focus in the position the face exits the frame. So if someone is one foot away from the lens and it's super shallow and the face exits the frame (and the camera does not detect other faces), it will lock focus right there opposed to focusing fast or slowly (depending on your setting) back to the wall or trees, etc.

In the mirrorless cameras, it would just focus to the background rather than locking focus.

As far as racking focus, there is of course no other way to do that besides touching the screen, using the joy stick, or the old-fashioned way with your hand on the lens. And again, you can control the speed of the rack focus in the menu.

I am excited for anyone new to use this DPAF on a Canon stills camera touchscreen...you will absolutely love it, I promise you.
 
Yeah I read the previous posts. I think I will need to toggle between AF and MF to achieve the full range of focus behaviors that I want
 
And that will be best...the human element has to exist for some things...and then when you're running down a hallway with your gimbal and lens @ f/1.2 you'll ask the robot for help.
 
with sharp 4k, at f/2 on a 50mm I'm already not good enough, I'm eagerly awaiting our robot (focus) overlords
but yes, it also has to have good manual control for all those moves where you know what's going to happen and can do better than the robot
 
I primarily like to use AF for people. Because I love shallow DOF and if they are moving around a lot during b-roll at an event, trade floor, any gathering then I really want their eyes/faces to be in focus because there is nothing worse to me than having soft focus on people's faces.

It makes me want to reach my hands into the screen and focus the image. (I don't mind softer focus as much on objects.)

But then when I am shooting b-roll - especially on a tripod - what I actually do is I disable 'Movie Servo AF' (continuous auto-focus) and I use the half-shutter to focus (and then it locks focus).

Even though I do trust the AF to continuously work accurately, it makes me feel better when I don't have much time to film and I want to make sure any shots I capture are one-and-done perfectly in focus.

And you can play around with the speed settings.

If you were filming a live event in which your camera was fed to an audience, you wouldn't use the fastest available setting for quick changes in and out of people's faces or objects. You would want medium, relaxed pulls that look natural, like by hand. Maybe not the slowest but somewhere in the middle.

Then maybe if you're filming for a piece of content which will have a VO speaking about something, you could do a rack focus with the slowest setting from a bunch of flowers or trees out to a piece of property in the distance. Camera is locked off on a tripod...just a gentle tap.

But then sometimes - like with 120fps - you know you're going to slow it down in post so you want the box in the middle of the screen to immediately focus whatever cross its path (and you would use the highest setting). Say you're at a wedding on a dance floor and people are moving around a lot, you want the camera to grab that focus on a person's face/smile if it sees it even before you do.

This is a very useful system to have.
 
Dove deeper into this card situation and it looks like those lower capacities like the 64GB (even with its up to 800 MB/s claim) will be barely useful for any RAW (reports of only a few seconds, literally).

Also found this on Canon's 1DX Mark III's page (RAW is the same bitrate on the R5).

Maybe I'll keep the Ninja V for now and use it until companies discontinue/release better cards (which SanDisk has done a lot in its history).

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