Canon new XF100 & XF105

Hmmm....they should make a camera with one of their 35mm sensors!
They should do what Panasonic is doing with the AF100.
 
dcloud said:
hmc40 competitor :) but as usual pricey as hell.
$4k for a sinle 1/3 cmos camcorder
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with a 1/4" chip, pain in the ass AVCHD (not accepted by broadcasters in general), compressed sound (plus you have to pay extra for sound module), low rez lcd, HMC40 is not going to be much of the competition. This camera is for run and gun broadcast work, clearly for something like The Deadliest Catch or Everest series on Discovery.
 
Its funny people that always bash AVCCAM when more than likely they have never used it. It exceeds the dinosaur MPEG2 codec in every way. Of course this will all change once the AF100 starts shipping and everyone realizes how great the AVCCAM avchd codec really is. Just my $.02.
 
matt s. said:
Its funny people that always bash AVCCAM when more than likely they have never used it. It exceeds the dinosaur MPEG2 codec in every way. Of course this will all change once the AF100 starts shipping and everyone realizes how great the AVCCAM avchd codec really is. Just my $.02.
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it's funny how people who never submitted a single piece for broadcast talk about broadcast world. It's not what is better or worst, but what can and can't be sold. I don't make rules, but have to follow them. Just my $.02
 
Any chance we can get back to discussing the cameras?

:)

It is interesting that at the 50 mbps mode, it shoots 4:2:2.
 
The standards for what is acceptable for broadcast vary wildly in today's market and from net to net.

Historically, the networks' bronze, silver, gold and platinum specifications were easy to interpret and navigate. You could request / negotiate specific changes to facilitate your project, but usually you stuck to the technical guidelines as dictated by the network. Acquisitions were what they were, but producers tend to stick with known (and palatable) general workflows.

I have not completed a show on the AVCHD / AVCCAM formats, but they, like everything else, are very likely contributing toward the content you're watching today on most networks.

Your commissioning network is going to tell you what is within the guideline and you are obligated to follow those terms or negotiate for leniency in advance.

Let's assume, for the sake of civility, that Panasonic and Sony and Canon and the rest are moving codecs forward that answer some technical guideline at some level and work within those confines? It isn't personal, it's just video.
 
Looks like some good discussion and technical points here. I'm eager to see the AVCHD implementation on the AF100.

Let's keep it up beat and NOT personal, though.

THX
Management.

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Jack Daniel Stanley said:
Looks like some good discussion and technical points here. I'm eager to see the AVCHD implementation on the AF100.

Let's keep it up beat and NOT personal, though.

THX
Management.

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Wow, JDS, that jump is up there with those old school toyota commercial jumps.
 
robertrogoz said:
it's funny how people who never submitted a single piece for broadcast talk about broadcast world. It's not what is better or worst, but what can and can't be sold. I don't make rules, but have to follow them. Just my $.02
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How do you know he hasnt?
You keep talking so arrogantly and impolite.
Avchd will eventually be accepted. Its the content anyway that matters not the camera

1/3" single cmos vs 1/4" 3 cmos. They both suck. But the 1/4 has more color resolved while the 1/3 has 4:2:2
 
Dcloud. Point taken. While I appreciate your coming to the defense of a fellow forum member, and trying to enforce civility in your own way. Let's move on. Even though you may be right, 3 mods just came in and said lets avoid being personal. Which calling someone arrogant would, technically, be.

Also, and this is new perspective that I'm personally trying to adhere to, remember that no one likes to be contradicted and it's human nature to maybe get a bit snarky about it sometimes. Perhaps depending on whether one's had their coffee or not. Lord knows I've been guilty of that many times on this board just for the sake of "who the hell is this guy and why won't he just listen to ME?" So given that that's a 100 percent human and understandable, though not ideal reaction (Just reading Dale Carnegie for the first time), let's let one or two snarky comments slide and do what other members in this thread have done when they perceive a problem - use the report post button. It's the ! Triangle under your name to the left.

We're trained professionals (jk) and we'll gladly come in and smooth things over, delete, or lock threads as needed.

THX

Management

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Personally, I think this is fantastic news. The XF300 has been an amazing workhorse for me on ENG & EFP shoots, the footage that comes out of that camera is really breathtaking. Seems like an XF100 could be an excellent B-Cam to the 300, something I've been increasingly needing, but I haven't been happy with my options yet. I'm really looking forward to seeing how the single c-mos imager performs.
 
im sure on your work, the xf300 is amazing. it has great features. but like the xf100, the price doesnt fit with the work that i do
 
Sorry for personal reply to my earlier statement. Let me clarify my points.
I think new Canon cameras are going to be more of a competition towards HMC150, rather then 40 or they are most likely trying to fill up a gap. Looking at the features and specs this is camera specifically targeted towards the broadcast industry and companies producing broadcast content, rather then an event/corporate or narrative/film production. The other camera in this category was rather poorly developed H100 by JVC. I think it will be used a lot in run and gun type material, where even a 5-6 lbs bulkier cameras are not a real option. I was involved with shooting a doc last summer on Rainier two times- first time we carried HVX200, second time I used HM100. Even though HM100 lacks the features compared to HVH, but it was a manageable size and weight to get it to the top without need to brake my back.
I think with uncompressed sound, 50Mb/sec mpeg2 long GOP and a full manual controls it will be more of a competition to HMC150.
As for AVCHD vs mpeg2- I really don't care, however AVCHD is at the moment a hassle as far as Avid or FCP, so for now a lot of people are not doing the switch for this reason alone.
 
dcloud said:
im sure on your work, the xf300 is amazing. it has great features. but like the xf100, the price doesnt fit with the work that i do
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I don't see an official MSRP listed in the press release, so any speculative pricing is really just that. I hope it comes in at around $2500 - $3000 for the 100. Realistically, it will probably be a little higher than that, and I could see paying up to $3500 if it performs really well. If it starts $4k, the camera would have to perform exceptionally well before I ponied up the cash, and I'd still wince a good deal.
 
From Canon's Technical Support Rep:

Thank you for your inquiry. We value you as a Canon customer and
appreciate the opportunity to assist you. I am very sorry you are
having trouble finding the suggested retail price of the XF100 and the
XF105.

The Estimated Street Price for the XF100 is $2999 and the Estimated
Street Price for the XF105 is $3999. However, Canon has made a
corporate decision to allow the dealers to establish pricing. If we
were to offer the Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price on our Canon USA
web sites, this could be misleading to a potential consumer if a dealer
is selling the product for less than or more than the Manufacturers
Suggested Retail Price. Ultimately, the dealers will establish the
prices based upon competitive marketing.

For assistance, please call our Canon Presales Department at
1(800)828-4040 between 8:00 am and midnight ET, seven days a week. The
presales agents will assist you with product information and dealer
locations. Again, pricing for the products on the Canon U.S.A., Inc.
website will be determined by the Authorized Canon dealers in your area.

Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance with your
future purchase.

Thank you for choosing Canon.



Sincerely,

James
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