Canon is listening. Will Panasonic Follow?

Nitsuj said:
But they will just be trading one set of problems for another. They are both HDSLR's and they both have separate problems. "What I find crazy to me is the number of complainers that bark the same bark over and over in all the threads".
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Maybe this is the answer..

Excerpt from the script of The Matrix; on why the first Matrix failed:

Agent Smith:

"" but I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from.""



This might answer why many ( the majority ) of people can never be satisfied; or if they are, it's a temporary mental state to prepare them for the next situation that will jar them back into the vicious cycle of an unhappy dissatisfied state of mind which people truly feel comfortable engaging in.

When will the human species learn, and move up the evolutionary path?


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Still kinda hurts that Stu Maschwitz is disappointed in the GH1.

Yet after that last post it would be difficult to keep complaining.

Very happy with my GH1. A friend arrives today with a 7D.

We've got this 'plan' where we stock up on the DSLR models that are kickin right now, (sold my D90) We've got a GH1, a 7D, and have preordered a 1DMKIV, and a D3s (one of which would be sold easily in beirut as things take a while to come out here) and work off all their features.

After spending 5g's/2g's/2g's we still haven't accumulated the cost of the RED one. Even if we keep the other flagship DSLR. Once its here of course.

But it's looking like PL and weird angles for the GH1 during the day, 1D for the fast moves/lack of jello and the lowlight, and the 7D for general shooting.

Heck, we take pictures for money so the 1D doesn't seem too bad for us. We shoot guns going off etc we need fast shutters plus lowlight.

I dunno, even at all their price points, we can add a 5D for studio stills.

I like that these cameras 'aren't video cameras'. Two fields coming together so accessibly to the public will change some aesthetic 'tradition' that resulted previously from a technological limit.

We're just renegotiating the compromise. Skimp on the codec, get a small and cheap size.

Form factor changed, movement will kinda change.

Shallow depth of field is gonna lose its grounding for a bit, as we saw with the 5d, everybody couldn't get enough, but it'll pass.

The codec on the GH1 hasn't bothered me. If it does, I'll be glad we bought a 7d, and still didn't spend 5g's. We have both. Best solution I think.

I'd work on making sure the footage mixes well in a final result.
 
Another thing these DSLR's are good for, is learning. I have an easier time shooting film after playing with these SLR's cause they stress the importance of getting things right on camera. The price is too high to pay if you don't.

We've kitted the cameras out and when we're not using them they're rented out to students and enthusiasts for a fraction of the price a Z1 or Z7 (most popular cams here) go for the day.

We've not had many negative reactions from the DSLR phenomenon.
 
greymog said:
Still kinda hurts that Stu Maschwitz is disappointed in the GH1.
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Who cares what the F&*^ Stu likes or doesn't... He's not god, or some superior intellect that will change the course of humanity. It's 100% irreverent to me what he or others think in the end. I only care if I like it, and it works for me. I'm sure Stu could give a Sh*T if I, you or anyone here doesn't like something he likes...

Like you, I'm very happy with the GH1. I have a friend that tried to make me feel bad about my GH1 for quite awhile. All I heard from this person ( coincidentally a 5DMII owner ) was the GH1 mud issue, even though he has never even seen a GH1; the senors size is to small and how AVCHD sucks on the GH1 and on and on. I think I told him to finally shut the "F" up in a nice way. :-)


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Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
http://www.PappasArts.com
 
PappasArts said:
Who cares what the F&*^ Stu likes or doesn't... He's not god, or some superior intellect that will change the course of humanity. It's 100% irreverent to me what he or others think in the end. I only care if I like it, and it works for me. I'm sure Stu could give a Sh*T if I, you or anyone here doesn't like something he likes...

Like you, I'm very happy with the GH1. I have a friend that tried to make me feel bad about my GH1 for quite awhile. All I heard from this person ( coincidentally a 5DMII owner ) was the GH1 mud issue, even though he has never even seen a GH1; the senors size is to small and how AVCHD sucks on the GH1 and on and on. I think I told him to finally shut the "F" up in a nice way. :-)


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Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
http://www.PappasArts.com
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a little harsh, in some way, but i agree. the bloggers are great for conveying information to the people, but it's mainly their opinions. but i could see how some of these guys on here see the bloggers as rock stas cause they're in the "industry", but it's completely subjective.
 
Wow, this is a frustrating thread.

The heading sugests that it is about whether or not Panasonic will follow Canon in providing firmware updates, and alot of you turned this into defend the GH1 at all costs! We all know the GH1 is a good camera, and so was the Mark II but Canon decided to make it better.

And if you are defending the gh1 or panasonic to state that a firmware is not needed, then please clarify. Say that you are completely happy with the gh1 the way it is and that panasonic does not need to update firmware.
 
"Hey that fast food joint is giving away free cookies with their meal. We DEMAND you give us something free with our meal too!"

"Hey I just bought this car but I noticed the other car lot is giving away free tune-ups. I demand you give me free tune-ups too buddy."

"Hey this guy I know bought this very same laptop from a different store but that store gave him a free puppy, I wan't my damn PUPPY!"
 
shzr,

all due respect - I defend nothing, merely stating what the strengths of the GH1 are. The GH1 is a fantastic camera - back in July 1st when I got it - I continue to learn. The price I paid to get into the game of producing mind blowing video was even cheaper than when I got a Panasonic GS400 in Feb 2005 - that was a 1/4 inch SD consumer cam with full manual controls - recording to tape!

The GH1 is not in the same league as the 5D, 7D - it is a consumer grade camera. So, for it to be compared with prosumer grade stuff like the Nikon D90, the Canon 5D MkII and lately the 7D is already testimony to its capabilities. I shot side by side with a friend who has a Sony EX1 - even he was blown away by what this cam can do, particularly with a Nikon 50mm f1.2. Shallow depth of field, low light, sharpness.... equal or even better than the EX1

Let me ask a question back to you - who is completely happy with their camera? Whether GH1, D90, 5DmkII,7D,EX1,1Dmk4,D3s.... all will have some issue.

Of course Panasonic will follow up with a GH2 - I believe the GH1 it is a successful camera for them. I only hope (like all of us do) that it will be a worthy upgrade.

If not, I will keep the GH1 as my point and shoot and go get something else!

PS - I would be happy for any firmware upgrade the Panny offers to helps make the GH1 better
 
PappasArts said:
Who cares what the F&*^ Stu likes or doesn't... He's not god, or some superior intellect that will change the course of humanity. It's 100% irreverent to me what he or others think in the end. I only care if I like it, and it works for me. I'm sure Stu could give a Sh*T if I, you or anyone here doesn't like something he likes...

Like you, I'm very happy with the GH1. I have a friend that tried to make me feel bad about my GH1 for quite awhile. All I heard from this person ( coincidentally a 5DMII owner ) was the GH1 mud issue, even though he has never even seen a GH1; the senors size is to small and how AVCHD sucks on the GH1 and on and on. I think I told him to finally shut the "F" up in a nice way. :-)


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Michael Pappas
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
http://www.PappasArts.com
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wow. sorry man.

For the record, I still am using my GH1, and do love it.

Stu Maschwitz doesn't tell me what to buy, and I'm not seriously claiming that I will get rid of my GH1 cause he doesn't like it.

Nevertheless, I read his blog, it's taught me a bunch, just like dvx, and just like a lot of posts you made man. I've never read this many swears in your posts. I spologize for ticking anyone off. I buy my own things, and make my own decisions.

Still, Stu Maschwitz is an incredibly eloquent and intellectual man, he writes well, and has his eye on the ball at all times, always concerned with the big picture, which is basically using whatever camera you have. I think it's good if I can let his opinions influence me just a bit. It's fun having someone to look up to, I look up to Stu. Never met him, just read his work, and learn a bit.

He's got skills, seems much friendlier and cooler than not caring so violently about what i think, and yes Stu's opinion I think matters in the field.

I think the same of Kholi. Kholi's a friggin celebrity here in Beirut. I'll listen to what he says. David Mullen on REDuser, I'll listen to.

Your posts even, I would always read the same way I read kholi's, stu's david's, and barry green's. You've almost never given bad advice, the most important thing is the author's objective, and I think you'd shoot with whatever you have and make it happen, as one should.

Your reply kinda hurt man. I don't think I should be made to feel like a passive fool for reading a very capable man's advice.

If Stu didn't care what we thought he wouldn't blog.

Whether or not he cares isn't my point. I was just saying that to show a bit of that looking up. No 'sheep' messages intended. I ain't sellin my cam.

Lots of folk are unhappy about the codec in the GH1, has it stopped anyone serious? I just came back from a shoot today with it and things are looking good.

The rest of my post indicates that I believe that each and every one of these cameras has a good use, and am planning to use them in tandem, not bashing a single one.

Even if panasonic don't listen as hard as canon, the point in relation to the thread itself is that you can pick all of these cameras up in time, using one to pay for the next etc if cash is good, and still not spend too much compared to other options.

So, yeah, no need for the anger.

Sorry for ticking you off Michael.
 
Car3o said:
a little harsh, in some way, but i agree. the bloggers are great for conveying information to the people, but it's mainly their opinions. but i could see how some of these guys on here see the bloggers as rock stas cause they're in the "industry", but it's completely subjective.
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Forget rock star, some of these bloggers/posters are smart based on what I've read then thought about hopefully.

Everything's subjective. I think it's ok to appreciate an opinion.
 
Nitsuj said:
"Hey that fast food joint is giving away free cookies with their meal. We DEMAND you give us something free with our meal too!"

"Hey I just bought this car but I noticed the other car lot is giving away free tune-ups. I demand you give me free tune-ups too buddy."

"Hey this guy I know bought this very same laptop from a different store but that store gave him a free puppy, I wan't my damn PUPPY!"
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You know that's kind of the way things work though...note how often fastfood promotions at different companies will mirror each other, how often car dealerships in an area will offer similar things....that does happen, and it happens frequently...so yes, thanks for the example, Panny should get on this and listen to their customers like Canon did.

You ever heard of "will match best price" and "will take competitor's coupons?"
 
greymog said:
Forget rock star, some of these bloggers/posters are smart based on what I've read then thought about hopefully.

Everything's subjective. I think it's ok to appreciate an opinion.
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i agree, why wouldn't you appreciate it? but some people out there think their word is the freaking gospel and base their decisions solely on what they think.
 
Ben_B said:
You know that's kind of the way things work though...note how often fastfood promotions at different companies will mirror each other, how often car dealerships in an area will offer similar things....that does happen, and it happens frequently...so yes, thanks for the example, Panny should get on this and listen to their customers like Canon did.

You ever heard of "will match best price" and "will take competitor's coupons?"
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Hehe I guess I am old fashioned. I appreciate what I have now and don't envy those that have more. I have never been the "More I want more!" type myself. I kind of think this way of thinking is one of the underlying reasons this country, US, is in it's financial position. In the end I think it's our own greed that has hurt us. But as far as driving new technology goes, yes I think that is important, but I don't think it prevents somebody from making a good picture.
 
shzr said:
That's exactly my point. Canon is making an effort to communicate with their consumers.
Why are allot of you upset and taking this as a GH1 bash? It isn't.

The sad fact is, w/out a little noise, Panasonic(consumer side) will not do anything.

And thank you Barry for pointing out this is Panasonic consumer division issue, and not denying that they have been unpleasantly quiet.
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your point is that you're not even giving panasonic a chance to listen to people before getting a firmware out. canon spent well over a year to get manual control, 2years later and now 24p.

the sad fact is, canon's done something out the of ordinary for any company. and that's great. jump ship over to canon. it's probably more suitable for you. canon never announced they were going to give anyone these features until they were going to be released. so why is everyone getting upset about panasonic not doing anything when it's been less than 6months since the camera's been out?
 
Car3o said:
i agree, why wouldn't you appreciate it? but some people out there think their word is the freaking gospel and base their decisions solely on what they think.
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I know I know. sorry if I implied that. in prolost's case there's very little i don't agree with, still think about it after i read it.

Oh well, cheers all. Happy shooting.

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Ben_B said:
Yeah, Panasonic should want the customers they've got...and make it so we're likely to stick around.
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Go, or stay, with whoever and whatever makes you comfortable.

But if you think expecting a firmware update after a couple of months is realistic, you might find a "grass is greener" scenario going on.

After the GH1 has been out as long as the 5D was when it got the manual-control update, then we'll be able to judge fairly whether Panasonic is listening or not. But when it took Canon a year to add the manual controls update, and you're clamoring for something comparable here after the GH1's been out for three months (and, truthfully, only in widespread release for a few weeks) it just smacks of being a little unfair of a comparison, does it not?
 
I would not expect a firmware update to provide pulldown-free 1080/24p. I would, however, expect a firmware update to fix the color shifting issue, and I'd expect that as soon as is humanly possible.
 
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