Canon and Fuji New Cine Lenses

Run&Gun

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Looks like Fuji has two new “large format” zoom lenses, Premista series(Premiere + Vista).
https://thecinelens.com/2019/04/02/livin-large-with-fujinons-new-zooms/#more-7037

And the Canon Sumire(pronounced soo-me-ray) PL primes appear to be real, unless B&H staged an elaborate hoax. They posted a five minute plus hands-on video on their site. Quite possibly an accidental early slip, because there does not appear to be any information on them anywhere else, except mentions of them on the rumor sites.
 
I saw the Sumire lenses a few weeks ago. They're very nice but I don't get the pricing structure as they are quite a bit more expensive than the CN-E primes and everyone really just wanted CN-E primes in PL mount.
Even a Duclos CN-E prime to get it to PL mount is cheaper. The Sumire supposedly have a softer, more halated, diffused image when shot wide open (we didn't get to use them) but you can see it in the demo reel.
In short, very nice, high quality lenses, no electronics even when converted to EF and there are plenty of competing FF models in their price range. Personally, I hate the "vintage" diffused look, I think it's already
tired and overused and is only appropriate for certain subjects but as usual in our industry, when a trend hits, it seems like almost everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and beat that look into the ground.
 
I find it interesting that this line is competing against the (almost the high end) pro lines, whereas Canon's bread and butter is in the medium $5,000-$15,000 camera market that also benefits from the well regarded DPAF. In that sense, the company may have been better served by 28-70 F2 type lens that is currently only available in the RF mount.

Then again, there are rumors of the EOS R getting some form of a Raw (ProRes Raw to an external recorder?), so maybe Canon is trying to establish the RF mount as the entry point into the professional video market.
 
puredrifting said:
I saw the Sumire lenses a few weeks ago. They're very nice but I don't get the pricing structure as they are quite a bit more expensive than the CN-E primes and everyone really just wanted CN-E primes in PL mount.
Even a Duclos CN-E prime to get it to PL mount is cheaper. The Sumire supposedly have a softer, more halated, diffused image when shot wide open (we didn't get to use them) but you can see it in the demo reel.
In short, very nice, high quality lenses, no electronics even when converted to EF and there are plenty of competing FF models in their price range. Personally, I hate the "vintage" diffused look, I think it's already
tired and overused and is only appropriate for certain subjects but as usual in our industry, when a trend hits, it seems like almost everyone has to jump on the bandwagon and beat that look into the ground.
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I just found out this morning right before the embargo was lifted, that a friend has shot with them. I have not talked to them, but another common friend has, though. I was told the friend that shot with them does like them, but does not think the fall-off/roll-off is as nice as Ultra's, Cooke's or Leica's.

I also think the pricing is too high. A set of Sumire's will basically cost you double what an 'original' set costs. And typical Canon, they sorta gave us what we were asking for, but not really. I just wanted the CN-E's in user swappable EF/PL mount. Well, we now have them in PL, BUT they changed them(softer, less contrast) and the mount can supposedly only be changed by Canon for a charge, each time. And I'm not shooting narrative, movies or high0end commercials, but I thought the skin tones/faces were great with the original CN-E's.
 
indiawilds said:
And here is the B&H video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxjv3-uuT8U
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Oh wow, the first video in existence to be shot on the C700 since Canon's last C700 demo. I feel like Canon wouldn't like the DP sort of complaining about the camera's weight. Maybe next time they'll shoot their lens demo with a real camera.



I'm not really convinced of these Surmire lenses. I guess I'm with Dan on not liking the soft look. It seems like you could just diffuse a lens with filtration or in post, but you can't make a diffused lens sharper. I guess it's like getting a Litepanels Astra soft, which saves a bit of time from needing to add diffusion, but then you don't ever have the versatility of going full power without diffusion. A lot of money in this case to spend on a specialty one-trick-pony. I'm having a hard time seeing these becoming popular. I suppose if the look is desired and they're considered higher end than other full frame primes that can fit on an Alexa LF.
 
Not a fan of the soft/diffuse look, in general, either. The originals are good owner/operator lenses. They have a good look- sharp, contrasty and make people look great(good skin tones). If you need to soften them, you can easily drop a filter in the matte box. They're also pretty affordable. The Sumire's seem sort of like a one-trick-pony and something to rent on an as-needed basis, instead of like the original's that can fit most situations. Sharp and contrasty when you need it/want it and if you want to "dirty them up", you can use filtration or post.

The Canon USA promo was not good. Lots of buzzed and completely blown shots. The Canon Europe promo was better.

On a side note: Tokina has a new line of lenses based on their Cinema Vista's(Cinema Vista One), but the front element only has one coating for reduced contrast and increased flare.
 
Run&Gun said:
I just found out this morning right before the embargo was lifted, that a friend has shot with them. I have not talked to them, but another common friend has, though. I was told the friend that shot with them does like them, but does not think the fall-off/roll-off is as nice as Ultra's, Cooke's or Leica's.

I also think the pricing is too high. A set of Sumire's will basically cost you double what an 'original' set costs. And typical Canon, they sorta gave us what we were asking for, but not really. I just wanted the CN-E's in user swappable EF/PL mount. Well, we now have them in PL, BUT they changed them(softer, less contrast) and the mount can supposedly only be changed by Canon for a charge, each time. And I'm not shooting narrative, movies or high0end commercials, but I thought the skin tones/faces were great with the original CN-E's.
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They also haven't expanded the lens range that much. I'd rather shoot with the Sigmas because I can have my beloved 28 & 40. That being said, I have no idea what lenses I'd want to shoot if I was shooting a movie FF. Seems like they didn't change too much from the original lenses, but I think they should've really gone for it like with their latest RF range.
 
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