Canon 5d mkiii users - can you assign a different button to 5x/10x magnification
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Hi gents a quick question about the mk iii if I may....
I've just worked out how to get audio levels to display during recording (and via the q button and silent mode, how to adjust recording) but if I want the audio levels continuously displayed while recording I also get resolution fps and codes information taking up screen space. Is there anyway to disable this?
Also if I downgraded to 1.1.3 would I lose this visual display while recording?
I've just worked out how to get audio levels to display during recording (and via the q button and silent mode, how to adjust recording) but if I want the audio levels continuously displayed while recording I also get resolution fps and codes information taking up screen space. Is there anyway to disable this?
Also if I downgraded to 1.1.3 would I lose this visual display while recording?
Celluloid Dream
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tikigod19, On the stock 5D Mark III you only get audio levels continuously displayed during recording in the way you described with the other info also on screen. Firmware 1.1.3 is exactly the same.
However, The Magic Lantern add-on can also be used with standard h.264 video recording, and adds some very useful features. ML has it's own audio meters which are displayed differently at the top of the screen. You can set it up so that the actual 16:9 recording area is clean, while the audio meters are continuously displayed at the top of the screen.
Here is an image I found on google to give you the general idea. http://www.newsshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ML2.jpg
This is an old build running on the 5D2. The latest builds use better fonts and a better layout and different colors. The bottom of the screen isn't so cluttered now.
However, The Magic Lantern add-on can also be used with standard h.264 video recording, and adds some very useful features. ML has it's own audio meters which are displayed differently at the top of the screen. You can set it up so that the actual 16:9 recording area is clean, while the audio meters are continuously displayed at the top of the screen.
Here is an image I found on google to give you the general idea. http://www.newsshooter.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/ML2.jpg
This is an old build running on the 5D2. The latest builds use better fonts and a better layout and different colors. The bottom of the screen isn't so cluttered now.
thanks Celluloid, yep I'm a keen ML user on the 5d2 so I'm very familiar with the interface and I love it.
I'm just scared sh*%less to upgrade after being told on the ML forums that it can actually wipe an entire card...
I think I need to wait for a stable release for the 5D3 before I switch to ML...
I'm just scared sh*%less to upgrade after being told on the ML forums that it can actually wipe an entire card...
I think I need to wait for a stable release for the 5D3 before I switch to ML...
Celluloid Dream
Active member
I literally have no idea what you are talking about. I have gripes about the way that ML works on the 5D3 but I have never heard of ML erasing any photos or videos from a card. In fact, I think you might have misunderstood something. Can you provide a link to the ML discussion talking about cards getting wiped?
Oh and BTW, I don't think there will ever be another stable ML release. There seems to be zero interest in that, so you may be waiting a long time. Long as in forever.
Edit: Was it the thread talking about Komputerbay cards compatibility with some card readers? Is this the thread? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8412.0
That is a card and/or card reader problem.
Oh and BTW, I don't think there will ever be another stable ML release. There seems to be zero interest in that, so you may be waiting a long time. Long as in forever.
Edit: Was it the thread talking about Komputerbay cards compatibility with some card readers? Is this the thread? http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8412.0
That is a card and/or card reader problem.
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and today when filming a school play I didnt realise I wasnt recording for 4 minutes.. That wouldnt have happened with the red crossout of ML!
Ok so if I went back to 1.1.3 and installed ML on an SD card but remove it for crucial projects where I'm worried about even a slightest chance of it performing this card corrupt that is discussed on the ML forum, will the camera perform exactly as it should except a slight startup lag when I don't have the ML card inserted in the camera? If so, I can't really lose surely. THe only advantage is this startup delay, is this right?
Ok so if I went back to 1.1.3 and installed ML on an SD card but remove it for crucial projects where I'm worried about even a slightest chance of it performing this card corrupt that is discussed on the ML forum, will the camera perform exactly as it should except a slight startup lag when I don't have the ML card inserted in the camera? If so, I can't really lose surely. THe only advantage is this startup delay, is this right?
Andrius Simutis
Veteran
Everything in life involves some level of risk. You could get in a car accident on the way to the job, so you take the precaution of wearing a seatbelt. A satellite could fall out of the sky and land right on your head, but that's unlikely so most people don't invest in satellite protection. If one person in Australia got hit by a satellite it wouldn't prompt you to move into a fortified bunker, so likewise the fact that one person running ML may have lost footage shouldn't prevent you from using it. If it was everyone, or a lot of people having that issue and it was found to be ML as a cause, then you could consider taking action, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Cards do fail. Not frequently, but they do fail for all sorts of reasons. If this is such a concern (justified or not) then you can take precautions like swapping cards frequently to minimize the amount of data at risk, have two cameras running, or also recording to an external device.
At a certain point you have to just get out of the fortified bunker and live and stop worrying about the satellite that might fall on your head.
Cards do fail. Not frequently, but they do fail for all sorts of reasons. If this is such a concern (justified or not) then you can take precautions like swapping cards frequently to minimize the amount of data at risk, have two cameras running, or also recording to an external device.
At a certain point you have to just get out of the fortified bunker and live and stop worrying about the satellite that might fall on your head.
Celluloid Dream
Active member
tikigod19, Yes the camera will perform exactly as a stock 1.1.3 firmware 5D3 when not using ML, minus the come out of sleep delay. I don't wanna talk you into using ML but I still haven't heard of one single case of a 5D3 losing photos (jpeg or raw) or h.264 videos with or without using Magic Lantern. The only thing I have heard of is iffy CF cards (uh hmm... Komputerbay) having compatibility issues with certain card readers.
What I have seen is Magic Lantern give an error while recording raw video. It happened to me, the raw video recording stopped early, but I didn't lose any frames. Also, when the CF card is filled all the way while recording raw video, approximately the last 50 frames are corrupted.
Just be be clear, there are three ways to start without ML. Remove the SD card that has ML on it, replace the SD card with a (non-bootable) one that does not have the ML files on it, or hold the set button while turning on the camera. (if you hold the set button and later let the camera go to sleep, when it comes out of sleep ML will be loaded.)
Also, the extra delay does not happen at power on, only when the camera comes out of sleep mode.
What I have seen is Magic Lantern give an error while recording raw video. It happened to me, the raw video recording stopped early, but I didn't lose any frames. Also, when the CF card is filled all the way while recording raw video, approximately the last 50 frames are corrupted.
Just be be clear, there are three ways to start without ML. Remove the SD card that has ML on it, replace the SD card with a (non-bootable) one that does not have the ML files on it, or hold the set button while turning on the camera. (if you hold the set button and later let the camera go to sleep, when it comes out of sleep ML will be loaded.)
Also, the extra delay does not happen at power on, only when the camera comes out of sleep mode.
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Thank you very much for the info celluloid but I'm not sure what you mean by sleep mode?
I know there is risk and I've been shot down on the ML forum for my posts that I linked to but I was merely trying to find out whether ml issues are common on not but as you've said, you personally haven't seen any instances of footage of being lost as a result. That's what I wanted to hear but short of reading every forum on the net it's hard to get a blanket impression on this but what I've read seems that the mk3 version is NOT significantly less reliable than the mk2 version and that really has been my question since day 1
I know there is risk and I've been shot down on the ML forum for my posts that I linked to but I was merely trying to find out whether ml issues are common on not but as you've said, you personally haven't seen any instances of footage of being lost as a result. That's what I wanted to hear but short of reading every forum on the net it's hard to get a blanket impression on this but what I've read seems that the mk3 version is NOT significantly less reliable than the mk2 version and that really has been my question since day 1
Celluloid Dream
Active member
You are welcome. As far as I know and from my own personal experience, I have not seen ML cause any problems when shooting stills or h.264 video when ML was active, and I have definitely not seen any problems when ML is not running. I would trust a 5D3 with the bootflag set but not running ML as much as I would a stock 5D3, which is 100%. Running ML and shooting stills or h.264 video, I would say 99%. However, I would not shoot a once in a lifetime chance in raw video mode.
The default sleep time is 1 minute, you can change this or turn sleep mode off. I think Canon calls it Auto Power Off in the menus. Anyway, sleep is what it does when you don't use the camera for 1 min, it goes to sleep to save battery power. When the camera is awake, the top LCD is always displaying the current shooting parameters, so you can tell it is in sleep mode if the camera is on but the top LCD info screen is off. In stock form it wakes up so quick you may never notice it, but it does wake up when you touch the shutter release button to meter and focus.
The default sleep time is 1 minute, you can change this or turn sleep mode off. I think Canon calls it Auto Power Off in the menus. Anyway, sleep is what it does when you don't use the camera for 1 min, it goes to sleep to save battery power. When the camera is awake, the top LCD is always displaying the current shooting parameters, so you can tell it is in sleep mode if the camera is on but the top LCD info screen is off. In stock form it wakes up so quick you may never notice it, but it does wake up when you touch the shutter release button to meter and focus.
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ah right I see, thanks. I usually just turn the LCD off with the video to photo switch when I have a few minutes until I need to start reording.
I'd never shoot an important shot in raw, so I think I'm going to give it a go today.. it'll also get rid of those annoying 3rd party battery messages when I downgrade to 1.1.3...
I've seen a couple of different methods online to downgrade/install ML, is there 1 recommended way that you know of? Would love some sort of step by step guide to make sure I don't get it wrong..
I'd never shoot an important shot in raw, so I think I'm going to give it a go today.. it'll also get rid of those annoying 3rd party battery messages when I downgrade to 1.1.3...
I've seen a couple of different methods online to downgrade/install ML, is there 1 recommended way that you know of? Would love some sort of step by step guide to make sure I don't get it wrong..
ok I've gone and installed it.. I pray to God it's reliable! 
A few questions if I may..
1) when I press info on a ML screen (I used to get ML help files) it says help files not found.. I also had a few funny things go on during install (no message about bootflag, it was a graphical glitch and just showed lots of boxes of dots instead.. not sure if this has caused it..?)
2) in the audio menu there doesnt allow me to adjust the audio level, just by the looks of it the level of the cameras beeps and playback?
It's almost like there is a way to see an expanded version of the menu in full and I'm looking at a 'lite' version but I cant find the manual in the download
3) oh, also I just pulled my mic out of the camera when it was on and the whole cam shut down, now when I restart I get told cam was not shut down properly, skipping module checking. Also the temperature has been on the increase since I turned it on about 10 mins ago and has risen from 30 degrees to 45 degrees on the on screen display. Is this normal? edit - after 15 mins recording indoors in the winter its now up to 53 degrees, this cant be right
4) Finally, when I go to format card (the SD which has ML installed as I just realised video was being recorded there as well) I dont get the keep/remove magic lantern text. Is this no longer there?
5) In the text underneath when I hover over the movie tweaks option group it lists movie restart but when I go into it it only says movie logging, rec/standby notification, dim rec led, and force live view. Where is movie restart? is it automatically on?
6) I have a ROM.DAT still on the sd card.. is that meant to be there? I'm suspecting an incorrect install..
7) With the magic zoom during recording I seem to have to have it assigned to the zoom button on the left of the body which is useless to me or the zoomin (+) button which I can't see on the camera, is it the same button? I have assigned the standard canon zoom in to the set button and would like my magic zoom to work only during recording and be triggered by this set button, is that possible?
Not a great start..
A few questions if I may..
1) when I press info on a ML screen (I used to get ML help files) it says help files not found.. I also had a few funny things go on during install (no message about bootflag, it was a graphical glitch and just showed lots of boxes of dots instead.. not sure if this has caused it..?)
2) in the audio menu there doesnt allow me to adjust the audio level, just by the looks of it the level of the cameras beeps and playback?
It's almost like there is a way to see an expanded version of the menu in full and I'm looking at a 'lite' version but I cant find the manual in the download
3) oh, also I just pulled my mic out of the camera when it was on and the whole cam shut down, now when I restart I get told cam was not shut down properly, skipping module checking. Also the temperature has been on the increase since I turned it on about 10 mins ago and has risen from 30 degrees to 45 degrees on the on screen display. Is this normal? edit - after 15 mins recording indoors in the winter its now up to 53 degrees, this cant be right
4) Finally, when I go to format card (the SD which has ML installed as I just realised video was being recorded there as well) I dont get the keep/remove magic lantern text. Is this no longer there?
5) In the text underneath when I hover over the movie tweaks option group it lists movie restart but when I go into it it only says movie logging, rec/standby notification, dim rec led, and force live view. Where is movie restart? is it automatically on?
6) I have a ROM.DAT still on the sd card.. is that meant to be there? I'm suspecting an incorrect install..
7) With the magic zoom during recording I seem to have to have it assigned to the zoom button on the left of the body which is useless to me or the zoomin (+) button which I can't see on the camera, is it the same button? I have assigned the standard canon zoom in to the set button and would like my magic zoom to work only during recording and be triggered by this set button, is that possible?
Not a great start..
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Celluloid Dream
Active member
I am super busy right now, but I will answer all these questions later today.
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Celluloid Dream
Active member
This is starting to feel like a job... but I'm glad to help.
1a. The help files are incomplete, therefore not included in the nightly builds. Please consider volunteering to assist writing the help files.
1b. Don't worry about that, your install was fine.
2a. The 5D3 has manual audio level controls by default, use the Canon menus and/or Canon silent control system to set audio levels.
2b. If you press "menu" while looking at the ML menus, you will get the verbose mode with all options displayed at once for each category, hit "menu" again to go back to the regular ML menu
3a. You have found a bug in ML, please report it to the ML developers.
3b. I think that the ML temperature reading on the 5D3 is wildly inaccurate. The camera has thermal protection built-in. In will not be damaged by recording video, so don't worry about it.
4. ML on the 5D3 does not have the ability to format the card while preserving and then restoring the ML files. If you format you wipe ML from the card. One solution is to use the CF card for your recordings, and the SD card just for ML.
5. The stock 5D3 already has the ability to seamlessly record video for 29 minutes 59 seconds. ML does not mess with this as it is not needed.
6. Rom.dat is not needed on the card. You can delete that file. You only need 3 things added to a card to run ML. You need to make the card bootable, then you need the ML folder, and the file autoexec.bin at the root level of the card.
7. Magic zoom, use the zoom button on the left of the body, on the 5D3 that is the + button equivalent. The set button cannot be set to activate magic zoom, the set button can only be used to do the 5x, 10X punch in zoom.
1a. The help files are incomplete, therefore not included in the nightly builds. Please consider volunteering to assist writing the help files.
1b. Don't worry about that, your install was fine.
2a. The 5D3 has manual audio level controls by default, use the Canon menus and/or Canon silent control system to set audio levels.
2b. If you press "menu" while looking at the ML menus, you will get the verbose mode with all options displayed at once for each category, hit "menu" again to go back to the regular ML menu
3a. You have found a bug in ML, please report it to the ML developers.
3b. I think that the ML temperature reading on the 5D3 is wildly inaccurate. The camera has thermal protection built-in. In will not be damaged by recording video, so don't worry about it.
4. ML on the 5D3 does not have the ability to format the card while preserving and then restoring the ML files. If you format you wipe ML from the card. One solution is to use the CF card for your recordings, and the SD card just for ML.
5. The stock 5D3 already has the ability to seamlessly record video for 29 minutes 59 seconds. ML does not mess with this as it is not needed.
6. Rom.dat is not needed on the card. You can delete that file. You only need 3 things added to a card to run ML. You need to make the card bootable, then you need the ML folder, and the file autoexec.bin at the root level of the card.
7. Magic zoom, use the zoom button on the left of the body, on the 5D3 that is the + button equivalent. The set button cannot be set to activate magic zoom, the set button can only be used to do the 5x, 10X punch in zoom.
ok I've gone and installed it.. I pray to God it's reliable!
A few questions if I may..
1) when I press info on a ML screen (I used to get ML help files) it says help files not found.. I also had a few funny things go on during install (no message about bootflag, it was a graphical glitch and just showed lots of boxes of dots instead.. not sure if this has caused it..?)
2) in the audio menu there doesnt allow me to adjust the audio level, just by the looks of it the level of the cameras beeps and playback?
It's almost like there is a way to see an expanded version of the menu in full and I'm looking at a 'lite' version but I cant find the manual in the download
3) oh, also I just pulled my mic out of the camera when it was on and the whole cam shut down, now when I restart I get told cam was not shut down properly, skipping module checking. Also the temperature has been on the increase since I turned it on about 10 mins ago and has risen from 30 degrees to 45 degrees on the on screen display. Is this normal? edit - after 15 mins recording indoors in the winter its now up to 53 degrees, this cant be right
4) Finally, when I go to format card (the SD which has ML installed as I just realised video was being recorded there as well) I dont get the keep/remove magic lantern text. Is this no longer there?
5) In the text underneath when I hover over the movie tweaks option group it lists movie restart but when I go into it it only says movie logging, rec/standby notification, dim rec led, and force live view. Where is movie restart? is it automatically on?
6) I have a ROM.DAT still on the sd card.. is that meant to be there? I'm suspecting an incorrect install..
7) With the magic zoom during recording I seem to have to have it assigned to the zoom button on the left of the body which is useless to me or the zoomin (+) button which I can't see on the camera, is it the same button? I have assigned the standard canon zoom in to the set button and would like my magic zoom to work only during recording and be triggered by this set button, is that possible?
Not a great start..
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number 7 is proving to be a big issue for me I really miss that feature and just can't use it with a button on the left of the body..
First shoot with ML this morning was a success.. I'm just considering trying to disable the temp warning.. is it just there to scare people?!
by the way, again, THANK YOU for your replies, they have been/are a great help!
I really miss that feature and just can't use it with a button on the left of the body.. First shoot with ML this morning was a success.. I'm just considering trying to disable the temp warning.. is it just there to scare people?!
by the way, again, THANK YOU for your replies, they have been/are a great help!
well.. I'm editing the first project I shot on the mkiii back in november and I must say, the footage is soft as &%*^! Ive heard it can be soft straight out the camera but grades up ok but to be honest I only usually apply sharpness in premiere of about 20 and then colour it.. I've done that and it doesn't really fix it. I shot on the IPB codec for this as I heard ALL-I could be problematic but Im now wondering if thats what caused it..
In low light.. amazing, but in good light I think I prefer the mkii after seeing this mess
In low light.. amazing, but in good light I think I prefer the mkii after seeing this mess