Canon 1DC crop modes - surprise!

macgregor

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Not sure if the 1DC goes in this forum or in the EOS cinema, but anyway.

I just tested the 1DC and I was surprised to discover a S35mm crop mode that I had previously not read anything about.
As we all know the camera has a 4K 4:2:0 mode and the same full frame 1080p crappy video mode that the 1DX has, which is kind of similar as the 5Dmk3. Not much aliasing but very soft in resolution. And it has some strange interpolation algorithm. In any case, no one will buy this camera to shoot in this mode, since the 1Dx does the same exact thing for half the price.

The 4K mode is quite sharp, it didn't show any aliasing and while only 8bits (too bad) it becomes a 444 signal once resampled to 1080p, which isn't bad right?

Now, there's another mode called S35mm 1080p crop mode which basically does what the name says. It crops the sensor to s35mm equivalent and records at 1080p. I was expecting even crappier results than with the full frame 1080p mode (similar to what happens on the nikon d800) but to my surprise, it renderS beautiful sharp 1920x1080 footage, with no aliasing and perfect resolution.

Here's a quick comparison.

Now this is great news because the 4K mode not only requires super fast CF cards but also fills them up so quickly that it's almost impractical for the main purpouse of this camera --> gerilla style docs. If my math are not wrong, 1 minute takes 4GB, a 16GB card will only take 4 minutes of footage. Imagine how many x1000 CF cards you'll need to be able to record an hour of footage... Not very practical.
Now with the S35mm crop mode, we'll still have good resolution and no aliasing, but this mode records in the same format as the full frame mode (1080p mp4 420 all-I) which still looks pretty decent, and which only downside is being 420. But we no longer need super fast CF cards nor we are so limited in the amount of time we can shoot per card.


Edit: you can download a high quality mp4 file from https://vimeo.com/57238618
 
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Thanks Mcgregor, I have been very curious about the image quality on this camera. This helps me a lot. Appreciate the share.
 
I remember reading somewhere that you can get 16min of 4k on two 32gb cards. Which would be 8min on 32gb, or 4min on 16gb, so your math isn't off.

But you can swap out one card while recording to the other, so there is that, and if you had an intelligent device that you can just plug a CF card into, and it would move the data off and onto an SSD or HDD, wherein you would just put the card back into the camera, it wouldn't be that bad.

An external connector would be nice though, like Thunderbolt or something. So you could connect an external storage device to it.
 
I saw this last week https://vimeo.com/56409022 and I thought man that S35 crop mode looks a lot sharper than full frame 1080p. Thanks for confirming it. Chances are the 7D MKII will be able to do the same thing.

Just had a look at the manual, it doesn't do 60p in the S35 crop mode...bummer. C'mon Canon! :nads:
 
I thought the 4K mode was 4:2:2?

The s35 crop mode sounds cool.... If it did 4:2:2, i would be very tempted with this camera. I'm guessing the 4:2:0 holds up pretty well though?
 
While it certainly can be used for them, I would not call them the purpose of the camera.

The purpose for the camera is to shoot, you don't have to present your ASC membership card to buy one. It's perfect for doco work.
 
Hello to Everyone !


I have some questions about the 1DC:
  1. do you think, like me, that these astonishing performances are to be related essentially to the crop mode ?
  2. Why the 1DC is the only, and I stress the only, photo camera in the market adopting this technique if it is clearly the best one ?
  3. Is this technique intrinsically more expensive to implement in a photo camera compared for instance to the common and much inferior line skipping ?
  4. While I can understand the Canon pricing policy to defend the video camera line other photo camera makers do not have a line to defend. Why they do not jump on crop mode and steal the market ? Is this technique subject of a patent ?

Personally I think this could very well be the next revolution with all photocamera adopting this crop mode for video, creating a lot of camera with astonishing video performance. Really I do not understand why this crop mode is not everywhere.
Why they do not do that it is a real mistery to me. Really.
Thank you very much and kind regards,


gb
 
I have some questions about the 1DC:

There are other cameras with crop modes: every Red, various Nikons, GH2, even the cheap Canon T3i.

The problem is that this essentially makes the sensor smaller - not what most users want when they buy a big sensor camera. When it's a fullframe camera and the crop results in a S35 size sensor then all is good, but when the sensor isn't that huge to begin with then crop mode leaves you with a small sensor camera.

I agree, crop modes can rock if done right. I say the T3i is the most underrated video DSLR because of it's high quality crop mode, in fact.
 
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Yes I was thinking to full frame sensors that cropped result in a portion similar to that of a super35.
I understand now that other cameras use this crop mode. Do they have similar performance ?
From what I read on the web the 1DC seems to be the first reflex that really gives a video performance at the level of very good videocameras (I read that is actually superior to the c300 ... at 4000 $ less)
An example to follow I think.
Regards,
gb
 
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I just did a few more tests with the camera.

Base ISO in Canon Log: 400ISO
Dynamic range: 13stops (+6 -6)

Compresion is excellent in high detailed scenes, really bad in smooth gradients without detail (posterization occurs).
 
I just did a few more tests with the camera.

Base ISO in Canon Log: 400ISO
Dynamic range: 13stops (+6 -6)

Compresion is excellent in high detailed scenes, really bad in smooth gradients without detail (posterization occurs).

Can you apply C- log to the s35 crop and record uncompressed out? And if so do you still get 13 stops?
 
Compresion is excellent in high detailed scenes, really bad in smooth gradients without detail (posterization occurs).

Does the bit-rate drop when you record low detail scenes? It sounds like the MJPEG is VBR. If it is Canon really screwed up.

Can you record 4k over the HDMI out?
 
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