Can we make a sticky about editing DVCproHD?

Spartacus

Spartacus

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We already know a lot of specs about this very promissing cam, we know a lot about P2, we know ways to work in HD with limited P2 cards or without them, but for me there seems to be a lack of focus on the postwork with DVCproHD.
Sure its out there being used for years by the Industry, so there are obviously solution editing and postpro solutions on the market - but can the DIY filmaker afford them?
There was an apple ad if i recall correctly, displaying an FinalCut HD-editing suite for"only" 50 000 dollars, well maybe thats small costs for someone doing "Cold Mountain", but not for someone who sold his car to buy the HVX.
So to the people who know:

What editing solutions already exist out there?

What software will definetely support native DVCproHD editing or compositing?

How much will it aprox. cost in january(just to give Pana some time...) to build an HD editing box?

Will we need HD videocards? Do we need scsi drives or raids? What about Laptop editing?

Since there have been threads asking about DVCproHD editing before, I`ll repeat myself and ask: Moderators, can't we make a sticky, please?
 
I just couldn't let it pass: The Apple ad to which you refer actually said "$50,000 Editing Suite for $2,000." It's not quite the same, you see.
 
latest versions of
final cut pro HD
avid express pro hd
canopus edius
..all currently support editing naitive DVCPRO HD

adobe has alledgedly annouced that PPROs new version/update will support it..
no word from sony about vegas yet but im going in there this week to try and ask some people i know.
 
That add for "Say goodbye to the 50k HD editing suite" was crap. The monitor alone they showed in the picture was 32k. And they didn't even have an HD deck in the picture. It was a Digibeta.
 
AfterEffects can do it now, if you download the Avid codec, and use Quicktime files. Vegas can sort of do it now with the Avid codec, but Vegas' integration with Quicktime isn't nearly as quick as it is with .AVI, so the overall process is *really slow* -- I get about 2 or 3 fps on my 2.6ghz P4 system.
 
2k not 55k, shame on me...
anyway, so editing DVCproHD is only a problem of having the right codec?
What about the hardware side of it?
Editing DV on a Dual Power Mac is ok, but HD footage?
So, do we need HDcards? Or Raids?
maybe we could integrate this in the established info sticky...
 
DVCPRO-HD doesn't require raids, the footage takes up 12.5 megabytes per second of transfer rate. Most modern hard disks can handle that.

According to Apple's specs, HD editing requires a 1GHz single or dual processors, and 1GB of RAM or more (2GB recommended).
 
even though there doesn't seem to be much interest in how to edit HVX footage I'll keep on asking:
@Barry: The specs from Apple sound strange, one or two processors starting at 1GHz - I was editing DV footage on a 1,8 iMac G5 and it was killing me, rendering was so slow... Even the Dual 1,8 PowerMac really has to flex some muscles when doing a little postwork, like grading, simple rotos a.s.o....
I planing to do my first feature with the HVX (as will others), so what about handling HD footage for a 100 minutes movie?
If all I need is a 2000 $ Mac or PC, I would be more than happy - but somehow I doubt it...
 
Spartacus said:
@Barry: The specs from Apple sound strange, one or two processors starting at 1GHz - I was editing DV footage on a 1,8 iMac G5 and it was killing me, rendering was so slow... Even the Dual 1,8 PowerMac really has to flex some muscles when doing a little postwork, like grading, simple rotos a.s.o....
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Rendering may be slow, but that's not what the system requirements listed by Apple are talking about. Those specs are there to tell you the minimum you will need to play HD footage. Rendering is a whole different thing; the more power, the better, in that case. But a computer that renders slowly may still be quite capable of playing back the rendered footage, and that is what the minimum system requirements are there to tell you.
 
I don't know anything more about the Mac than what the apple site says. It was my understanding that they showed a totally pimped-out Mac running something like 12 streams of DVCPRO-HD at the NAB conference... but again, I don't know the facts on that.

I think you'll be able to use a reasonable system to edit with. It's more data than DV, but it's the same basic concept. Each frame is individually uncompressible. It's not like HDV where the codec may have to uncompress 14 frames before it gets to the one it wants. HDV has a lower data rate but is *much*, *much* more processor-intensive than DVCPRO-HD. DVCPRO-HD takes up more disk space and will need adequate storage and hard disk transfer speed, but the processor requirements shouldn't be all that high.
 
Barry_Green said:
DVCPRO-HD doesn't require raids, the footage takes up 12.5 megabytes per second of transfer rate. Most modern hard disks can handle that.

According to Apple's specs, HD editing requires a 1GHz single or dual processors, and 1GB of RAM or more (2GB recommended).
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Ok, It's late for me and I am confused, I thought the specs for 1080, 60i DVC-PRO HD was 100 megabytes per second. ???
 
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