Can I still get some film look shooting in 24P but exporting to 29.97 DVD?

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DavidLM

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Hi everyone - I just joined a few moments ago - just purchased a DVX100A 2 days ago - and I have a question (or 2) - surprise, surprise! I have been reading the FCP forums on shooting in 24P vs 24PA but I'm still not quite sure which to use. As the project I'm working on for the grade 7 class at my daughter's school is happening now, I'd like to keep things simpler for my first big project (but also have the media for use in future projects). This leads to my questions:
1. If I shoot in 24P, edit in a 29.97 timeline and then go out to DVD (in 29.97) will I still get some (or none) of the film look I'm trying to achieve by shooting in 24P in the first place?
2. I've tried both 24P & 24PA - when capturing 24PA using the 2:3:3:2 pulldown removal and setting the sequence preset to DV NTSC 48Khz, I get the red bars in the timeline so have to render each time I do something to the clip in the timeline. Is this normal? I was hoping to be able to use the 24PA in my 29.97 timeline (and later when I needed the media in a future project have better knowledge to use it in a 24P timeline).
Sorry for the wordy questions. This is all very exciting.
Cheers and thanks.
David
 
Thanks Graeme - and for your great article - it cleared up a lot but I will read it again later to try to absorb more - lots of nuances to this stuff! Pulldown, then pulldown removal! Ahh! But it is getting clearer!

It's great that I retain the 24P look in 29.97 output - don't quite understand why yet but that's o.k. It seems that the main advantages of shooting 24PA and in a 23.98 timeline is that the output quality will be a bit better, it's easier on FCP editing, .... Eventually I will want to do that but for now 24P (and getting its look) should be fine - I may also be getting tape from other parents to use that will probably be at 60i.

Ottawa, eh!? I was born and raised there - in Aylmer actually. Gotta get back there one day!
David
 
Well shooting in 24pa and editing with the pulldown removed so in true 24fps is not going to inhance your quily. All it is is true 24fps. So you use it most the time when going to a film out meaning printing your work to 35mm film. To view it any other way on an NTSC monitor aka a tv no matter watching it on DVD or off tape or The DVX or off your computer through a media converter you will have to put the pull down back on so that it can be seen in our NTSC 29.97 world. So for most your projects just shot 24p and edit in a 29.97 timeline don't wory about the pulldown stuff. Now if you are doing a project that might go out to film shoot it in 24pa so you have the advatage of the pulldown.
 
Ah but.... Editing in 24p allows you to make a 24p DVD which is higher quality than a normal NTSC DVD as it's recording less frames per second. The DVD player itself will add the pulldown on playback.

Also, you get better quality removing advanced pulldown than removing normal pulldown, again, leading to a very slightly better quality end result. There's more info in the article I posted above.

Graeme
 
Graeme, One question i have regarding your article(which is excellent by the way), is when I'm making my Master Quicktime copy, the one i'm going to import into compressor to automatically create a 24p dvd... what should my RT settings be at when making this quicktime export.

I know that for printing to tape it needs to be 2:3:2:3, should it be set the same for a 23.98 export quicktime?

I'd like to see that article you did as a sticky for this section in dvxuser... maybe with an added sticky at the start of it that clearly states in one line each what settings to use for capture and sequences of 24p normal and advanced. Hopefully that way we'd get less of the exact same questions over and over(something I've been guilty of too).
 
Export settimgs are based upon the timeline settings. The playback RT settings have no bearing on Quicktime Export. If you just File -> Export -> Quicktime Movie... (accept defaults) then all is good.

Graeme
 
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