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lol...those are all American-dream scenarios. (And true too.)

How about the real world? I guess applying would be one way, if available.

And who shoots for Apple or Google or Amazon or Walmart? Would be nice to be on that team. Maybe it's in-house.

Thirty years ago, I was working as a salesperson for an electronics chain. One of my co-workers wanted to be a pro camera operator/cinematographer. He had a friend who was working TV soaps. That was his way in.

Another fellow (a South African, btw) was a songwriter/composer. He had a friend who was doing music scores for "Santa Barbara". That was big money because of the residuals (SB was syndicated globally). He also knew Trevor Rabin (a Yes guitar player, and also a South African) a little.

At another chain, I was working with a "struggling musician", a drummer. He was in a band and always kept a demo tape in the store with him. Because when you're working on LA's Westside, you never know who might come in. One day, a customer steps inside while the drummer is "practicing" rolls on his rubber pad. Because he wants to look cool. The customer asks about an item, the drummer puts his drum sticks down and they talk business. The long haired drummer, obviously, manages to work his musical ambitions into a conversation. "We played at this club and we even got a TV audition", etc. The customer happens to be a cool dude himself and says, "Oh, nice, I am also in a music business". So, the little drummer boy asks, "Cool, would I know any of your projects?' The guy, proving that he is cool beyond cool, says, "Uh, let's see, I produced the last six Rolling Stones albums". The little drummer boy probably swallowed his sticks on the spot.
 
I can’t speak for Eric, but my point that he was responding to was that the way a show looks, or more precisely how good it looks, is a typically fairly small part of how good the show itself is. I think the direction and cinematography of the new HBO show Euphoria is incredible. And I’m not being hyperbolic here; I think it's some of the best work I’ve ever seen. Hell I even think the acting is great, but I couldn’t connect with any of the characters so I stopped watching. Or maybe worse than stopping watching; I didn’t care enough to finish the season. But The Boys, a show that doesn’t look nearly as good to me, has me eagerly anticipating S2.

(Luckily for the folks that make Euphoria, I’m apparently in the minority and I’m glad it was picked up for S2 even if the show isn't for me.)

So obviously doing what I do for a living, and trying to eke out as much visual quality as I'm able to get, I think the DP has a very important role and would not suggest otherwise. And
occasionally there are shows like Penny Dreadful that NEED to look and sound the way they do (one of my favorites). I just don’t think, in general, how good a show looks decides how good a show it is for the audience.

I guess I'd liken the look of a show to the sound design and music: Hugely influential to the impression you have, but will not make or break things for the audience except in extreme cases.
Okay, so I just finished binging Euphoria after you mentioned it. I really liked it. As you said, not as good as The Boys but shot way better than The Boys. Also, way better than 13 Reasons Why which it reminded me of. I kind of hated 13 Reasons Why. At least these kids have actual problems in their life unlike Hannah Baker who broke a fingernail and committed suicide over it.

I actually shot and produced a short film a few weeks ago and the director used both Euphoria and The Neon Demon for inspiration, so he'd shown me some frame grabs of Euphoria as far as the style we were going for, though I had not seen the show at that point.




What show are you going to mention next for me to binge? :)
 
Burn Notice was shot on Alexa (+ Arriflex 416 film, season 5 on Red One MX). 7 seasons should take you a while to consume :)
I used to watch random episodes of Burn Notice on TV (back when cable TV was a thing), but don't really consider it binge worth. It's basic and decent entertainment, but it's network TV. So, kind of meh. We're spoiled these days with higher quality shows from HBO, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. :)
 
Back in Florida say from 2015-2018, my work was split three ways - weddings (which I got through filming a friend's wedding for dirt cheap, met a photographer on that wedding who hired me to film other weddings, met more wedding clients through that, etc.), church media (which I got through originally doing free videos for religious organizations and churches until they started paying me for it), and corporate work (which I got through applying to job postings online such as Craigslist, as well as cold calling about 50 local video companies that I found through Google searches and the like).

After I got the Amira and moves to Atlanta these days I mostly advertise my services online in various locations and travel around in my RV as a traveling cameraman who works as a local in many locations which means my market is expansive and enables me to turn down lower paying jobs since I get so many inquiries. I still apply for job postings here and there, but most of my work comes as a result of inquiries. And most of my clients still opt for the C300 due to budget, but I'm always happy when they go for the Amira, and of course I use the Amira on my personal projects. Some day I'll try to tap into the Atlanta agency market to try to score some more local clients, but I haven't had much motivation to as the traveling jobs have kept me busy and I don't have a family I need to stay local for.

As I'd said, I also want to try to get into more commercial work but I need to start with doing spec ads as I don't have much commercial portfolio. I always say, self-producing unpaid work is a good path to growth as it gives you the ability to shine and create exactly what you want (as well as the type of work you'd like to get paid for) in a way that paid work typically does not. I've tried to partner with co-workers in the past to create some spec ads but it hasn't worked out; some day I'll hopefully get around to that as there are limits of how high corporate and doc work can go and I'm approaching those limits.

I've been self producing short films, but so far it hasn't really scored me much paid narrative work. I did DP a feature last year for decent pay, but that was a whole year ago now. I get tons of offers for narrative work (like three our four per month), but it's always so much lower pay than corporate work and often by inexperienced people who don't seem like they'd be good to work with, so I pretty much always turn it down in favor of self-producing more of my own short films. I'd rather self-produce and spend my money on something of my own level of quality than loose money by committing to a low paid narrative job with inexperienced filmmakers who will likely make a low quality film. I do think my corporate clients appreciate the various narrative work on my website, so I still think it benefits me as a business, as well as if I ever do start getting the better paying narrative offers as my work improves or I gain more connections. In any case, narrative work is fun, so even if it isn't profitable, we have to sometimes remember that for many of us, filmmaking started out as a hobby, so it's not always just about making money.

Thanks Eric.
 
Silliest thing you've ever posted on here...unless you're joking or just don't understand the game of football, especially that particular game/SB.

I played football in high school (defensive back, safety). Still play with family/friends (touch); play QB, WR, zone safety (more effective vs. man-man for these kinds of games).

When you do a deep dive into how this world has been run (for our entire lifetimes, and much longer), you'll find many things you won't like and compounded by unbelievability. Yet, it's real.

That link was provided showing a factual pattern of prior history. It's entertainment + gambling is involved. What are the odds history will repeat. Growing up in San Diego and watching many Chargers games I got the sense it was rigged (they had really good teams, yet they'd still lose in a non-convincing way: just seemed fake to me).
 
I used to watch random episodes of Burn Notice on TV (back when cable TV was a thing), but don't really consider it binge worth. It's basic and decent entertainment, but it's network TV. So, kind of meh. We're spoiled these days with higher quality shows from HBO, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc. :)

I'll still watch Burn Notice every now and then for a more upbeat generally happy and fun show vs. the darker stuff currently being produced. On that note, The Tick is pretty good/upbeat if you haven't watched.

Maybe spend time writing, shooting, and editing your own content :)
 
I'll still watch Burn Notice every now and then for a more upbeat generally happy and fun show vs. the darker stuff currently being produced. On that note, The Tick is pretty good/upbeat if you haven't watched.

Maybe spend time writing, shooting, and editing your own content :)
Hmm, The Tick is only a 7.4 rating on IMDB. Kind of low for a TV show. I forgot I downloaded Love, Death, and Robots. I may start that next.


I spent $6k in the past two months producing and DPing four short films. Time for me to take a break and get back to making money rather than spending money. ;)
 
Hmm, The Tick is only a 7.4 rating on IMDB. Kind of low for a TV show. I forgot I downloaded Love, Death, and Robots. I may start that next.


I spent $6k in the past two months producing and DPing four short films. Time for me to take a break and get back to making money rather than spending money. ;)

Right on. I took a few years off tech work (which has been a more profitable business) to work on creative / self-help-nutrition products/productions. Went back to tech full time a few months ago. Somehow amplifies creative energy when time to produce is limited! So yeah, being productive vs. passive activities = agree. On that note, time to edit some photos :)
 
And who shoots for Apple or Google or Amazon or Walmart? Would be nice to be on that team. Maybe it's in-house.

We have shot for walmart a few years ago. At least back then walmart used in-house people for some of their in-house videos. I applied once. But for other things like events and some corporate they hire outsiders and lots of different ones. When you look at video production company websites around Walmart's home town, lots and lots of companies list walmart as a client. It's like everyone has shot for walmart, lol.

We also helped on some commercial shoots. A couple guys flew in from LA with a 5D and then hired local crew (like us) to help with the shoots. I was quite surprised walmart did it that way. And even more suprised the guys were using a little 5D! One time they rented a 7D from us for a shoot.
As to the big awesome commercials (which are rare) such as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whpJBY5W7xo
I guess some agency sold them on the idea for that and used a big reputable company who had done previous larger scale projects. I don't know

I wonder about who does the work for Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, GM etc...

I was going to start another thread but since this one has already migrated to talking about work...
One thing that is a little frustrating to me is the scenario similar to an actor getting typecast.
Say a client hires you for a project. You go over ideas/scope/etc and they don't want to do anything big and impressive. So you end up doing a $2000 project or whatever, even though you could do a $200,000 project. The client from that point on sees you as the $2000 project guys and that is all you are capable for to them.
Worse yet if most of your clients are $2000 clients then you become known as the $2000 guys and all your recent work samples are the same scale. So you almost get stuck in a rut.
It's kind of like a guy buys a Chevrolet Sonic and decides that is the best they can make, even though they can make a Corvette ZR-1.
 
I played football in high school (defensive back, safety). Still play with family/friends (touch); play QB, WR, zone safety (more effective vs. man-man for these kinds of games).

When you do a deep dive into how this world has been run (for our entire lifetimes, and much longer), you'll find many things you won't like and compounded by unbelievability. Yet, it's real.

That link was provided showing a factual pattern of prior history. It's entertainment + gambling is involved. What are the odds history will repeat. Growing up in San Diego and watching many Chargers games I got the sense it was rigged (they had really good teams, yet they'd still lose in a non-convincing way: just seemed fake to me).

Then you should understand that particular SB we mentioned would be an impossible game to fix because of the score and the actions needed for the losing team to obtain points to tie the game and then win in overtime.

It's considered one of the greatest Super Bowls of all time and practically a miracle.

As far as the other stuff about the world...no doubt...but not fixing Chargers' games, lol.

(There will always be local small-time betting and such, but not at the NFL level to fix outcomes in this current world we live in. Way too difficult and practically no one would be onboard because of the high stakes.)
 
We have shot for walmart a few years ago. At least back then walmart used in-house people for some of their in-house videos. I applied once. But for other things like events and some corporate they hire outsiders and lots of different ones. When you look at video production company websites around Walmart's home town, lots and lots of companies list walmart as a client. It's like everyone has shot for walmart, lol.

We also helped on some commercial shoots. A couple guys flew in from LA with a 5D and then hired local crew (like us) to help with the shoots. I was quite surprised walmart did it that way. And even more suprised the guys were using a little 5D! One time they rented a 7D from us for a shoot.
As to the big awesome commercials (which are rare) such as this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whpJBY5W7xo
I guess some agency sold them on the idea for that and used a big reputable company who had done previous larger scale projects. I don't know

I wonder about who does the work for Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Apple, GM etc...

I was going to start another thread but since this one has already migrated to talking about work...
One thing that is a little frustrating to me is the scenario similar to an actor getting typecast.
Say a client hires you for a project. You go over ideas/scope/etc and they don't want to do anything big and impressive. So you end up doing a $2000 project or whatever, even though you could do a $200,000 project. The client from that point on sees you as the $2000 project guys and that is all you are capable for to them.
Worse yet if most of your clients are $2000 clients then you become known as the $2000 guys and all your recent work samples are the same scale. So you almost get stuck in a rut.
It's kind of like a guy buys a Chevrolet Sonic and decides that is the best they can make, even though they can make a Corvette ZR-1.

I think I remember you telling that story in the Walmart car thread, which is actually where I first saw the car video, lol. (And I linked to it here in this thread a few posts down if you keep reading.)

And I know what you mean...but I think I'd be okay doing 100 small and simple $2000 projects. Or 50 $3000 ones. Simple, straightforward.
 
... As far as the other stuff about the world...no doubt...but not fixing Chargers' games, lol.
In the USSR and, after 1991, Russia, there were probably more fixed than non-fixed soccer matches.

Of course, at one match, a local mafioso was so upset with the referee's call, he walked into the ref locker room after the game and nearly shot the guy. Most clubs were owned by the fronts for criminal groups or by the oligarchs. Most of Eastern Europe was like that too.

I leaked that. Officially, I know notttenk. Much like C500 MKII specs.
 
Then you should understand that particular SB we mentioned would be an impossible game to fix because of the score and the actions needed for the losing team to obtain points to tie the game and then win in overtime.

It's considered one of the greatest Super Bowls of all time and practically a miracle.

As far as the other stuff about the world...no doubt...but not fixing Chargers' games, lol.

(There will always be local small-time betting and such, but not at the NFL level to fix outcomes in this current world we live in. Way too difficult and practically no one would be onboard because of the high stakes.)

That's the point: the more unbelievable, "miracle", the more unbelievable. Are you buying the recent UFO narrative being pushed by the powers that be (footage from the Pentagon and Navy)? https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=2004+navy+ufo
Unbelievable = unbelievable (+ if you do the research you'll see there was a major push for (man-made) electrogravitics then all of a sudden silence and you never hear about it again). That footage if not CGI, is more likely gov toys vs. aliens. Or maybe this is something you're agreeing with? I'm not saying the Charger's games (or SB) was fixed, just that it's a possibility and to be aware of it based on prior history.

Some folks don't believe in cartels: same kind of systems, same pattern of disbelief in the possibility of their existence: "they couldn't possibly get away with it". Yet they do (until they are caught and we find out about it).

A year ago if you'd told a Red user their media was the cheapest generic wrapped in a metal case they'd call you crazy. Now?
 
I don't know what the narrative or recent news is but I've always believed in aliens.

And you'd have to be a fool not to believe in cartels.

Not the NFL though. lol
 
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