C300: C300 Mark IV/C500 Mark III wishlist

What's on your wishlist?

Here is mine.
  1. 8.6K like Burano with all the intermediary frame rates (6K, 4K, 1080p) that use subsampling (unlike some of the Red's that require a sensor crop for lower resolution)
  2. Full frame, S35, and S16 with different crop modes available at the touch of a button for quickly changing during a shot
  3. Higher than 240 fps slow motion
  4. 24g (8K) SDI output and/or 8K HDMI output (Burano cannot output 8K)
  5. A viewfinder shaped like the Alexa 35 viewfinder, but the LCD can either be attached to the viewfinder like the Alexa 35 with a very short cable that plugs in from the viewfinder to power the LCD, or the LCD can be detached from the viewfinder and connected to the camera with a cable and a secondary LCD/viewfinder power port (Alexa 35 has two ports for the viewfinder/LCD). The Alexa 35 currently has the best viewfinder/LCD setup on the market, but if the LCD was detachable for more modularity, while still being able to also be attached and then not needing a separate cable than the viewfinder, would be even better. If were getting greedy, I may say three ports so then one could do a small camera LCD, viewfinder, and a SmallHD with full camera control and power.
  6. Ethernet port for (SmallHD) camera control
  7. AI assisted autofocus
  8. Improved dynamic range
  9. Improved low light
  10. Sony's variable ND I've heard mixed things about regarding color shifting, so I'm not sure if the 7 stops of that is actually better than Canon's current 10 stop ND filter wheel
  11. USB C port to allow for recording to external hard drive and also download media without removing it from the camera (for studio applications or if one forgets a card reader)
  12. Two full size XLR and two mini XLR (maybe overkill) and one 1/8" input
  13. AI meta data generative fill so you can change the background or aspects of an image (such as replacing a blown out window with a not blown out window, removing a power outlet, etc.) on set by typing into the app or on the camera how you want to change your image with generative fill. Of course an editor can do this too, but a good videographer/DP ideally provides less work for an editor to need to change things in post, so having this capability in a camera would be very useful, and generative fill is already a current technology
  14. Camera match SDI and/or HDMI input. How this works is say you have a Sony or Arri camera that you are mixing with your Canon camera and instead of trying to find and tweak a picture profile to match the other camera brand, you can output via SDI or HDMI from the other camera into this camera, which upon receiving the image, can then recognize the colors, etc., and tweak it's picture profile or LUT to replicate the look of the other camera
  15. Digital servo zoom from the 8.6K sensor (which can also be setup to automatically activate when you've reached the end of your optical zoom)
  16. Option of a 4" camera LCD, 5", and 7". With multiple ports, could use multiple sizes at once. I suppose using a SmallHD powered by the camera port would not be much different than a Canon manufactured one.
  17. Small LCD screen on the camera to show primarily camera controls such as ISO, iris, shutter, etc. Maybe could provide a camera feed as well but too small to use as a primary camera monitor.
  18. More shutter speed options like Arri has, able to adjust in decimal increments which can help with eliminating flicker from lights
  19. Improved handling of RGB lighting
  20. Large library or LUTs built in, with adjustments for items like film grain, etc., and the ability to bake in or not bake it all in
  21. Breathing compensation and chromatic aberration reduction
  22. I've gathered there is some play in the RF mount regarding using heavy lenses, so when putting an RF to PL adapter, you may not have the most rigid setup. I see Red has a plate you can screw in to secure the PL mount to the camera, but this looks like it would take a fair amount of time to put on. I'd like to see a heavy duty lever lock that locks the PL mount very securely to the camera so that you do not need to mess with any screws but still retain a very rigid mount. This could be used for the RF to EF mount as well. Right now the common method is to use the baseplate foot to secure the mount, but I think Red's method of securing it to the camera front is superior if you are able to use a lever built into the camera rather than having to waste time screwing thing in.
  23. LEMO and P-tap outputs on the body
  24. Manageable power draw
  25. Ability to record Proxy to both CFast Express cards and to SD card
  26. Ability to playback clips without going into a separate playback mode (like DSLRs)
  27. Speakers on the camera to hear audio playback of clips
  28. IBIS
  29. Either four SDI outputs on the body or an extension unit with additional SDI and HDMI outputs
  30. Small built in battery (still user replaceable when it dies after years of use) that enables at least two minutes of camera run time to enable hot swapping batteries
  31. Fast boot time
  32. The C700 (or C500 Mark III) version would be large format like the Alexa 65 (and Fuji GFX100 II) at 12K resolution, also able to do full frame (8K) and S35 (6K)
  33. The joystick on the camera when pressed in will select like the function key does to select ISO, shutter, etc. The original Canon C100s did this but for some dumb reason the C300s have not been able to.
  34. Voice activated camera settings. Instead of taking minutes going into the menu to change frame rate, resolution, log setting, etc., you speak, "[Name of Camera], change frame rate to 6K, ISO to 400, Canon Log 3, frame rate of 23.97," and it then changes all the settings via voice command. I often forget where a setting is such as mapping the control dial on the hand grip to ISO or Iris, so voice activation could be a quicker way to find and change settings on the camera. Either have a unique word to enable it to be activated so you don't accidentally change settings, or have an activation button on the camera to enable it when speaking.
  35. Ability to send screen shots to a cell phone. Type in the phone number, select "Screenshot," and click send.
  36. Built in wireless transmitter would be nice, but current tech may mean if it's a good one then it would increase the camera body size too much. Same for built in wireless audio transmitters.
  37. Ability to play music from the camera speakers, able to load in a music play list
  38. Extendable cup holder
  39. Removable sensor block like the Rialto
  40. Ability to use autofocus of the camera to communicate with a lens motor (Tilta, etc.) to give autofocus to manual focus lenses, which would enable manual focus lenses to have the camera's touch screen auto-focus capabilities.
  41. RAW should allow for full post adjustment of ISO, color temp, etc., along with having more compressed RAW options (which it appears just got added in the latest firmware update)
  42. Improved color science
  43. Call this Canon camera the Ari C300(C500) Mark IV, with a big Ari logo on it. This gives it a more marketable name for high end production.
  44. Do keep the option to have a small viewfinder on the back of the camera, even better if it's able to be repositioned, as the larger viewfinders are large enough you don't always want them attached, while the smaller viewfinders are small enough you can always leave it on the camera without worrying about added size and weight
  45. Small RGB on-camera light
  46. Integrate lighting control apps (such as Sidus) into the camera so that you can control lights with your touch screen camera LCD. This could also work with things like Sound Devices' Wingman App.
  47. There is currently an App to control cameras with a phone, but make it so that in multi-cam environments, you can see other cameras monitor viewing on your camera along with changing the settings of other cameras from your one camera, eliminating the need for a phone. Make the cameras automatically pair to one another when turned on so this ability is easy and quick to use. Also enable a "Match camera settings" button that immediately syncs all cameras connect to having the same settings (frame rate, ISO, shutter, resolution, etc.). Have box with check marks to select what items you want to match, for example, you may want to match resolution, but may want to have ISO be different between cameras since one camera has an f/4 lens and the other an f/2.8 lens. This feature will save a lot of time on mulit-camera productions.
  48. Enable AI tech support via voice command or typing in with a keyboard, so you can for example ask, "How do I make the LCD brighter?," and it will reply with voice and/or text giving you the answer. In many cases you could give it a command instead of a question, but it could be questions too. Things like the "Match camera settings" listed above can be voice activated as well.
  49. Make an option for ISO increments to be so smooth that it's like an iris or variable ND adjustment as opposed to stepped increments
  50. Have a night vision IR mode (lots of cheap handycams have this). I want to see high quality Ghost hunting footage.
  51. Add interval recording
  52. LCD luminance has always been a useful feature for viewing the LCD outside and it works well, the problem is it is easy to forget it is on when back inside and then misjudge exposure based off of the LCD. When luminance is turned on, add a display icon to indicate when Luminance is turned on and displaying what level it is on, as well as being able to map a button to toggle between the different luminance numbers.
 
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Brilliant.

In all seriousness, I would like a C500III with full frame 8k sensor, DGO, QPAF, RF mount with hard attached adapters for PL and EF, in the same basic camera body. That would get me to upgrade.
 
I second "machine learning assisted autofocus" - the AF on the C300 MK IV should at least be as good as on the R-series cameras. If it can rival the Sony FX6, even better.
 
We will see AI features in consumer cameras first. Until AI does a reliable job at faking things on the first try, it's too volatile to put into high end investments like cinema cameras.
 
That list is amazing, haha. What's equally amazing is that there are some people who expect all of that out of their camera of choice, which is surely the point.

But there are some great nuggets in there in terms of nice features to have.
 
That list is amazing, haha. What's equally amazing is that there are some people who expect all of that out of their camera of choice, which is surely the point.

But there are some great nuggets in there in terms of nice features to have.

for a camera to cost 20x a phone or osmo I think it is ok for the expectations to be wide.

i dont agree with all of Eric's list but if that what would help his job then fine

i at least require simple understandable controls (like a focus box that is green when in or red when lost)

and one button to access digital punch in or hfr (with sound)

my minimal money leaves me sitting in the fence for a used c500ii (when this is released) or loaning for rf af cine cam which could be very super good
 
my minimal money leaves me sitting in the fence for a used c500ii (when this is released) or loaning for rf af cine cam which could be very super good

I'd be equally happy to pick up a used C500II when they dip even more in price. I've used that camera in the past and loved it. I've seen used ones going for as little as $7500, which is still tempting for me to want to pick up at that cost.

In the meantime I continue to use by C200 for interviews, b-roll and the occasional low budget :30 sec scripted commercial and it's been totally fine. When you edit your own footage you can shoot on whatever you want.
 
I would be happy with a RF replaceable mount of the current C300mkIII, can't justify a new camera these days. From an accounting point of view, it takes 4-5 years to deduct the cost of the camera but reality is that in 2-3 years new cameras are coming out. Cameras need longer lifetime, it would help lowering the cost for manufacturer, for the buyers and for the final cost of the footage....There was a rumor about an RF mount for C300mkIII and C500mkII some time ago. 3 years and nothing....no mount, no new rf cinema camera....
 
So you want longer than three years between cameras.. or you dont?

the 300 and 500 are good are they not?

what is missing? More Decent af i guess

is this a problem for canon and canon users? Maybe
 
So you want longer than three years between cameras.. or you dont?

the 300 and 500 are good are they not?

what is missing? More Decent af i guess

is this a problem for canon and canon users? Maybe

I'am good with my C300mkIII. I did not choose the camera for AF....but i want to put a PL adapter, a PL speedboosted to RF and actually a plethora of lenses due to shorter flange distance of RF....i would be ok with an RF mount without AF...Regarding the first question pls look at Sony....they have it together..you can put a a7iv, FX30 or FX3 on a gimbal or handheld with stunning AF, you can rig a fx6 on a small steadicam, put a fx9 on a tripod....you can mix and match.... Canon line is a mess for someone who want to own 3-4 cameras to cover 95% scenarios...
 
I'am good with my C300mkIII. I did not choose the camera for AF....but i want to put a PL adapter, a PL speedboosted to RF and actually a plethora of lenses due to shorter flange distance of RF....i would be ok with an RF mount without AF...Regarding the first question pls look at Sony....they have it together..you can put a a7iv, FX30 or FX3 on a gimbal or handheld with stunning AF, you can rig a fx6 on a small steadicam, put a fx9 on a tripod....you can mix and match.... Canon line is a mess for someone who want to own 3-4 cameras to cover 95% scenarios...

I have a couple of C500 II and R5c's. They cover most shooting circumstances and generally match. Covers about 95% of the work I want to do. And when they don't work or I'm feeling lazy, I'll use an XF605 which covers the other 5%.

The thing that Sony reportedly has over Canon is better AF (which is weird considering that Canon was the first to develop useable video AF), stabilized sensors, and faster frame rates in some cases. But I've never really understood the Sony envy.
 
I added 52.

LCD luminance has always been a useful feature for viewing the LCD outside and it works well, the problem is it is easy to forget it is on when back inside and then misjudge exposure based off of the LCD. When luminance is turned on, add a display icon to indicate when Luminance is turned on and displaying what level it is on, as well as being able to map a button to toggle between the different luminance numbers.


I'am good with my C300mkIII. I did not choose the camera for AF....but i want to put a PL adapter, a PL speedboosted to RF and actually a plethora of lenses due to shorter flange distance of RF....i would be ok with an RF mount without AF...Regarding the first question pls look at Sony....they have it together..you can put a a7iv, FX30 or FX3 on a gimbal or handheld with stunning AF, you can rig a fx6 on a small steadicam, put a fx9 on a tripod....you can mix and match.... Canon line is a mess for someone who want to own 3-4 cameras to cover 95% scenarios...
I think Canon cameras actually match each other better than Sony. For example, the FX9 can do oversampled 4K from the 6K sensor which the FX6 and FX3 cannot do, which means, if you're shooting on the FX9 and want to use the FX6 or FX3 as your b-cam, you're going to have to accept the B-cam has inferior image quality.

Meanwhile, the C70 and C300 Mark III have the exact same sensor, codecs, and image quality, so the only difference is ergonomics and other non-image quality features like SDI. It makes things easier for me on a shoot when I switch from my C300 Mark III to my C70 or have it as a b-camera to be able to assure the client (who then sees this smaller and less pro looking camera) that this camera has the exact same image quality, codec, sensor, etc.

I think Canon should come out with a new sensor for their next iteration of cameras and start fresh, with new cameras for each of the models.
 
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I added 52.

LCD luminance has always been a useful feature for viewing the LCD outside and it works well, the problem is it is easy to forget it is on when back inside and then misjudge exposure based off of the LCD. When luminance is turned on, add a display icon to indicate when Luminance is turned on and displaying what level it is on, as well as being able to map a button to toggle between the different luminance numbers.



I think Canon cameras actually match each other better than Sony. For example, the FX9 can do oversampled 4K from the 6K sensor which the FX6 and FX3 cannot do, which means, if you're shooting on the FX9 and want to use the FX6 or FX3 as your b-cam, you're going to have to accept the B-cam has inferior image quality.

Meanwhile, the C70 and C300 Mark III have the exact same sensor, codecs, and image quality, so the only difference is ergonomics and other non-image quality features like SDI. It makes things easier for me on a shoot when I switch from my C300 Mark III to my C70 or have it as a b-camera to be able to assure the client (who then sees this smaller and less pro looking camera) that this camera has the exact same image quality, codec, sensor, etc.

I think Canon should come out with a new sensor for their next iteration of cameras and start fresh, with new cameras for each of the models.

Sony a7iv, has a downsampled image and closer dual base ISO with FX9. They do work nice together. C70 is a nice camera, bought it twice, sold it twice....it;s something about that camera plastic body that i hate. I love the image coming out of c70, whish Canon puts that senzor in a small box camera like Lumix BS1H....
 
Sony a7iv, has a downsampled image and closer dual base ISO with FX9. They do work nice together. C70 is a nice camera, bought it twice, sold it twice....it;s something about that camera plastic body that i hate. I love the image coming out of c70, whish Canon puts that senzor in a small box camera like Lumix BS1H....

Agree, a box shaped camera would be better for the following reasons:
1. The screw hole placement on the bottom of the C70 is atrocious (I own one), and you often end up using only 1 screw which introduces wobble
2. The weight distribution is not great if you put it on a gimbal like the DJI RS3 Pro - or a Steadicam. It's very side-heavy.
 
Would anyone buy a used c300 mark iii or c70 today? The prices have come down so much that I've seen them for $4800 and $3500 respectively. Kind of a gamble with rumors of new FF models coming in 2024...
 
Would anyone buy a used c300 mark iii or c70 today? The prices have come down so much that I've seen them for $4800 and $3500 respectively. Kind of a gamble with rumors of new FF models coming in 2024...

I just bought a used C500 II a couple of months ago. I bought it probably a week or two Pre-NAB, knowing that Canon could possibly release new cinema cameras very soon. I bought it anyway because it filled some gaps that my C200 could not.

I know that's not the exact question you're asking (different cameras) but it kind of is.

What are the key things that make your life easier in production? Those are the questions I ask myself when I'm approaching a new camera purchase. Although we're talking about older cameras (C500 II, C300 III, C70) what are they lacking at the moment that you really need?

Depending on what your lens choices are, I think that makes a bigger difference than probably something like 8k or an image stabilized sensor or whatever else the new hotness is.
 
Thanks. I'm currently firmly planted in the Sony ecosystem, but once upon a time I had a C100 and TBH that was my favorite camera of all time. The skin tones are just great IMO. My fx3 is just a joy to use, but I've never fully embraced the image. I find it to be a little cold and "digital" looking, although a 1/8 black pro mist softens it nicely. I can see myself going back to Canon one day though...
 
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