FS5: C100 Mark II vs. Sony FS5 or Canon C200 or Panasonic AU-EVA1

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guerriglia

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Hi.
I am about to sell my old C100 Mark II. I would like to buy a new camera, but I found myself bogged down in a world of doubts.
What would you buy:
Sony FS5 with 4K free upgrade and Canon adapter for 4900 euros.
Canon C200 for 7100 euros.
Panasonic AU-EVA1 for 6800 euros.
(Prices are approximate and without VAT)
Consider that "spending other people's money is always fun" so please be considerate when you reply ;-)
Thanks!
 
If having "better" autofocus with your canon lenses are important, this may steer you in a certain direction ie. c200. But if you are ok with manually focusing, or investing in some Sony lenses if you need autofocus function, then you might lean towards Sony.

You can't go wrong with any of them really.

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Autofocus on the FS7 with any Canon lens is useless (I've used three adaptors, my currently on is the Metabones V). Have not bought any Sony lenses (because of the horrible fly-by-wire focusing BS), but from what I've heard, the autofocus is garbage anyway (on the FS7).
 
guerriglia said:
Hi.
I am about to sell my old C100 Mark II. I would like to buy a new camera, but I found myself bogged down in a world of doubts.
What would you buy:
Sony FS5 with 4K free upgrade and Canon adapter for 4900 euros.
Canon C200 for 7100 euros.
Panasonic AU-EVA1 for 6800 euros.
(Prices are approximate and without VAT)
Consider that "spending other people's money is always fun" so please be considerate when you reply ;-)
Thanks!
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Panasonic EVA1 is my top choice if I was in your shoes.
But of course is wise to wait for it to ship first and other people to report on it, before jumping in yourself.

My 2nd equal choices: would be either a new Sony FS5, a secondhand FS7 mk1, or the BMD URSA Mini Pro 4.6K

And for an ultra low budget wild card to consider, that gives you 4K raw: a secondhand Sony FS700 + Atomos Shogun
 
To me personally between these 3 it would be the FS5. The 2 grand savings buy a lot of gear. Camera and image they are all on pair. But I don't care for auto focus at all. If you do as everybody already said C200 is the only one.
 
Sttratos said:
To me personally between these 3 it would be the FS5. The 2 grand savings buy a lot of gear. Camera and image they are all on pair. But I don't care for auto focus at all. If you do as everybody already said C200 is the only one.
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This was my main reason for going with the Fs5. I could put the savings towards more gear. I could still get a camera, gear and pay for eye surgery and putting a new roof on my farm house.
 
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I think it would be wise to wait for the EVA1 to be in circulation for a month or so.
Ignore all the discussions about the films that are out on Vimeo analyzing them is completely meaningless and pointless.
Or you can just order it. Why? Because the chances of panasonic screwing up when they have a clear market segment only populated by Sony: the sub 10k 10bit 4K category, are very very slim. With a Varicam LT on the mid high level and the gh5 on the low end a screw up is simply extremely unlikely.
If they deliver a fs7 in a fs5 form factor with panasonic color science it should be a no brainer.
You will have have to kiss AF goodbye but training wheels need to come off at some point.
 
icarusfilm said:
I think it would be wise to wait for the EVA1 to be in circulation for a month or so.
Ignore all the discussions about the films that are out on Vimeo analyzing them is completely meaningless and pointless.
Or you can just order it. Why? Because the chances of panasonic screwing up when they have a clear market segment only populated by Sony: the sub 10k 10bit 4K category, are very very slim. With a Varicam LT on the mid high level and the gh5 on the low end a screw up is simply extremely unlikely.
If they deliver a fs7 in a fs5 form factor with panasonic color science it should be a no brainer.
You will have have to kiss AF goodbye but training wheels need to come off at some point.
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The first part of your post makes a lot of sense. The second not so much. Panasonic has screwed up several times, like any other manufacturer. In recent history you only have to remember the AF100. I owned one. Enough said.
 
Back then all the camera manufactures were scrambling to come up with a large sensor camera, panasonic was simply the first out of the gate at a time where large sensor cams were still a niche, nobody did it right till the c300.
Since then everyone learned. But off course there is always the possibility...

Sttratos said:
The first part of your post makes a lot of sense. The second not so much. Panasonic has screwed up several times, like any other manufacturer. In recent history you only have to remember the AF100. I owned one. Enough said.
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icarusfilm said:
I think it would be wise to wait for the EVA1 to be in circulation for a month or so.
Ignore all the discussions about the films that are out on Vimeo analyzing them is completely meaningless and pointless.
Or you can just order it. Why? Because the chances of panasonic screwing up when they have a clear market segment only populated by Sony: the sub 10k 10bit 4K category, are very very slim. With a Varicam LT on the mid high level and the gh5 on the low end a screw up is simply extremely unlikely.
If they deliver a fs7 in a fs5 form factor with panasonic color science it should be a no brainer.
You will have have to kiss AF goodbye but training wheels need to come off at some point.
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This!

If you want 10bit 4K, then it makes total sense to just hold your horses and WAIT! :)

Waiting never killed anyone?

If you really can't wait, then see what bargains you can pick up secondhand. I've seen some insane prices on an F5 (cheaper than a new FS7!), or a secondhand FS7 mk1, or heck.... a FS700 is almost being given away now! Pair that with a secondhand Atomos Shogun, and you're away laughing at how cheap you got the set up.
 
I'm sticking with the A7SII but waiting for the A7S III.

Last week I ordered and shot with an FS5 and Shogun Inferno. 12-Bit Raw to Prores HQ 422.

Took 2 hours to do all the firmware updates.

Shot indoors. Living room. Night. Looked at it.

Wanted to return it all within 1 hour.

My A7SII Slog3/movie color stuff looks better indoors.

Fat stuff but it blows in low/moderate light. Plus cropped shite. Noise out the ass.

Returned the whole package--even the SDI cables.

Gonna eat $500 for the raw upgrade but I'll get my 7K back.

Maybe I'm spoiled with the FF A7SII.
 
GaryinCalifornia said:
lol I’ll take it if you don’t want it.
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I only used it for one night so I wish I could give it away or sell it.

Sony makes you jump through all these hoops and rings just to sign up with the code. It takes like a phuckin hour.

And even after that they stipulate it will only work with that particular camera.

All that for nothin.
 
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