BUMMER - Looks like no recording to off the shelf drives

lol ... your still mising the rebate off the DVX .. so its a 1600.00 difference.

..and my math was quirky earlier too because i was taking a variable from the HVX price and including it in the DVX price.. the 500 off the HVX.. what the heck is wrong with us? lol

so its 1600.00 difference all said and done. for a DVXA or barebones HVX.
 
I was thinking the rebate ended this month so if you don't buy it in a few days. You'll pay that extra $300.

Which reminds me. I have to find out how much it costs to wire money. EVS has there best deal if you wire the money.

I need another DVX and I think I'll break even by October unless I have to get the matte box, etc.

Unless someone makes a kit to upgrade the matte box and a follow focus ring to be able to switch back and forth between the DVX and the HVX. Then I could use my old matte box and follow focus unit.

But I might turn around and sell the DVX to someone.

Which makes me think of something else. Of course we know little about the lens of the new camera.

And since I'm not a tech guru. I was wondering how well the DVX with the 16.9 would match up being a second camera on a shoot with the HVX in SD mode?
 
..good question. Jan has said that camera will outperform a DVX100A.. but what that means in factual and measurable terms is still in the air as far as us not in the panasonic development loop are concerned. although i would assume that it bois down to it making a technically better image. i would also assume that with some tweaking the cams could match closely enough though.
 
..a good point of where the some of the differences may stem from- if you were shooting DVCPRO 50. ..which would be my choice.

they would match more closely if both were in DV/DVCPRO mode. but who would want to reign in the HVX to match?
 
Panasonic deserves some kudos for the development of the HVX200. :thumbup: It is intriguing that the first HD/P2 camera would be launched into the pro-summer market. Usually new technology is launched a little higher up the marketing food chain where customers aren’t quite as price sensitive over issues like the costs of a P2 card.

P2 is also interesting in that it isn’t video (no tape) and it isn’t film but data, forcing the user into an IT based workflow. So it should be no surprise to anyone that users are already trying to figure out a way to capture directly to a hard drive. Even if it costs more it omits a step and provides much longer record times. So conceptually the technology sounds great. :thumbsup:

BUT (and you had to know that was coming from me) :undecided , I have to agree with pacificstreet, Panasonic could have positioned this camera differently and avoided much of the debate regarding the costs of the P2 card. Also, by leaking out tidbits of information prior to NAB, which fueled wild speculation and raised expectation and then showing a mock up at the show that didn’t work, certainly took the wind out of my sails and provided the competition with the opportunity to couch their selling argument of camera vs. camera. This should not be a debate of the HVX200 vs. HD100 or Z1, the HVX is an HD camera and the others are HDV. So if people want to compare cameras they should compare the HVX to the Sony F900, Vericam and other HD cameras and when you make that comparison the price performance of the HVX should be very favorable and the cost of the P2 cards won’t seem so bad.

Panasonic has done a terrible job of marketing this product. Many people believe that even bad PR is good PR, but when I rushed over to the Panasonic booth to see the HVX that DID NOT WORK and then walked 50 feet to play with six JVC HD100s that did – I’m thinking that Panasonic did a great job of setting expectations that JVC was in a much better position to meet. Panasonic created a demand for a product that they could not fulfill – marketing 101… :cry:
 
Aza said:
You know, I'm no electrical engineer, but I am a software one. I really don't believe that adding a controller system to the HVX so it can use Firewire drives, is really that hard. Maybe it's a bit expensive so they don't do it, but really, I don't believe it's that hard. There is code on the HVX to write to P2, so it knows about filesystems and if it was designed correctly, you'd think that there'd be a way to add a hardware system into it's current configuration to support firewire devices.

Aaron
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Aza - you've got to think like an EMBEDDED, REAL-TIME software engineer. Knowing about filesystems is one thing. Knowing about low-level firewire hardware is another thing. Streaming data out according to one's own clock is one thing. Synchronizing ones internal stream with the operations of a variety of external devices is another. Providing guarantees for all this is much more complex.

Adding hard real-time capability to an existing embedded system is often non-trivial hardware or software-wise. Adding an additional hardware controller to a complex electronic product adds lots of complexity and cost.

Now, I'd love to see the OTS FW drive capability! And certainly it's "possible"... but I just want to point out that it certainly isn't trivial and may not be "feasible".

-Barry
 
iamloser, I get the feeling you want a P2 card to be included in the camera...
Panasonic must understand that selling this camera as HD means it must be able to shoot HD out of the box.

When you buy other cameras (either the DVX or any others) there's always a tape included
I even remember buying retail cd writers and there were both CD-R and CD-RW discs included so I can start burning right away.

If they want to scream HD, it must shoot HD out of the box
If they don't want to include P2 cards, they can include an external hard drive (a normal box+drive is 150-200$, they can price their drive at 250$ and have one included)
 
EShy said:
iamloser, I get the feeling you want a P2 card to be included in the camera...
Panasonic must understand that selling this camera as HD means it must be able to shoot HD out of the box.

When you buy other cameras (either the DVX or any others) there's always a tape included
I even remember buying retail cd writers and there were both CD-R and CD-RW discs included so I can start burning right away.

If they want to scream HD, it must shoot HD out of the box
If they don't want to include P2 cards, they can include an external hard drive (a normal box+drive is 150-200$, they can price their drive at 250$ and have one included)
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Well if you buy the combo with 2 8GB cards, it can shoot out of the box, but giving you the option of buying 4GB or even 2GB cards (For SD) they are actually giving you more options.
 
iamloser said:
..a good point of where the some of the differences may stem from- if you were shooting DVCPRO 50. ..which would be my choice.

they would match more closely if both were in DV/DVCPRO mode. but who would want to reign in the HVX to match?
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It's true. I'm actually very interested in doing a lot of composite work, and the colorspace is one of the biggest draws for me.
 
ChuckS said:
if people want to compare cameras they should compare the HVX to the Sony F900, Vericam and other HD cameras and when you make that comparison the price performance of the HVX should be very favorable and the cost of the P2 cards won’t seem so bad.
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The problem with that is everything. This is a hand held camera, not a shoulder mount. Cameras like these were developed for affordability and portability. Well, you just took afordability out of the equasion. It's like saying compare a new VW Bug to a Porche and the cost of gas doesn't seem so high. Gas prices are still high, and P2 is out priced.


ChuckS said:
Panasonic created a demand for a product that they could not fulfill – marketing 101… :cry:
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Ryan
 
dude the camera is not out yet so don't PANIC
I'm a 1000% sure that the people at Matsushita Electric Industrial are working on it and they WILL deliver something affordable, usable that will reinvent the whole industry as we know it.
HVX200 is the way to go REGARDLESS of the medium (hopefully the price of those cards will go down)
iPod seems promising


hopefully they'll release HD rack (or at least a codec update) on time and have all this issues solved
+ capturing,vectorscope, field monitor etc.

just start saving your money
 
I was talking to a Panasonic dealer in my area. I asked him if he thought the HVX would damage the sales of higher end Pansonic cameras in his opinions. He said something along those lines: "It defenitely will somehow. People that would stretch their budget to buy a DVCPRO50 camera and deck to get into 4:2:2 production will now seriously look at the HVX200 as an alternative. And just with the money from a DVCPRO50 camera you can get the HVX200 plus 6 P2 cards and still not reach the price of the camera alone. But Panasonic will compensate that loss and maybe even make more money with the many P2 cards they will sell to the prosumer market."

So, giving us other alternatives to record HD might not be in the best of Panasonic's interests.
 
I think that's pretty cynical. If that were indeed their plan, I doubt Panasonic would be so gung-ho to license production of P2s.
 
It looks like the ipod cannot handle direct streaming. The ipod drives run 4200rpms with an average speed of 15ms. That basically means that it is sometimes running at less than 15ms which would be a problem.
 
Enough iPods already!

Enough iPods already!

WestEnd said:
It looks like the ipod cannot handle direct streaming. The ipod drives run 4200rpms with an average speed of 15ms. That basically means that it is sometimes running at less than 15ms which would be a problem.
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I don't know what you mean with the average access time numbers? Where do you get a 15ms threshold as important?

But basically, why're you and others so focused on the iPod? I mean, really! It's clearly not the ideal device for this, cost- or performance-wise.
 
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