FS7: Brand film.
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I'll be careful with my answer then
I fully agree with Afterglow.
The question is, at what point does one say: "I don't work on this project because it is morally wrong" ?
I think the answer to that question should not be money-related.
Liam Hall
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I'll be careful with my answer then
I fully agree with Afterglow.
The question is, at what point does one say: "I don't work on this project because it is morally wrong" ?
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No, the question is ‘what line of work do YOU do?’ I’ve been open and honest, yet to you, I’m a criminal. I admit to making propaganda, but you want to be ‘careful with your answer!’ Hmm...
Ha Liam,
I see. careful as in 'watch your language while talking to criminals'
And I didn't call you a criminal, you did. Neither did I call you a propagandist. I always thought you were a nice chap.
But to answer your question, I am an independent producer/publisher.
And I think this discussion needs a new thread because it is interesting and has not much to do with the original subject you started. And I don't want to unintentionally offend you while generally speaking.
Have a nice weekend
I see. careful as in 'watch your language while talking to criminals'
And I didn't call you a criminal, you did. Neither did I call you a propagandist. I always thought you were a nice chap.
But to answer your question, I am an independent producer/publisher.
And I think this discussion needs a new thread because it is interesting and has not much to do with the original subject you started. And I don't want to unintentionally offend you while generally speaking.
Have a nice weekend
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Liam Hall
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That’s not really answering my question. What do you produce or publish? I think it’s only fair that everyone is honest in this debate, particularly when people are being judgmental about types of professional jobs some of us accept.
You said working for cigarette companies was criminal, I’ve made several films for Phillip Morris and a commercial for Death Cigarettes, so I must be a criminal, right?
You said working for cigarette companies was criminal, I’ve made several films for Phillip Morris and a commercial for Death Cigarettes, so I must be a criminal, right?
Now you calling me not honest?
I have nothing to hide, I publish books for startups and I produce video's (most nature and technical ones). No snuff movies, no porn, no heroin commercials. Only boring birds and nature.
Tobacco is not yet forbidden. So legally you ar not a criminal. Though some tobacco companies are being sued in the Netherlands for making people addicted to tobacco (with added substances).
In this discussion timing is essential. Annyone who makes a tobacco comercial with the knowledge of today, can be considdered moraly wrong in my opinion.
I can't think of a good reason for making commercials for death cigarettes nowadays, do you?
I have nothing to hide, I publish books for startups and I produce video's (most nature and technical ones). No snuff movies, no porn, no heroin commercials. Only boring birds and nature.
Tobacco is not yet forbidden. So legally you ar not a criminal. Though some tobacco companies are being sued in the Netherlands for making people addicted to tobacco (with added substances).
In this discussion timing is essential. Annyone who makes a tobacco comercial with the knowledge of today, can be considdered moraly wrong in my opinion.
I can't think of a good reason for making commercials for death cigarettes nowadays, do you?
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Liam Hall
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No, not calling you anything. Just suggesting everyone is open and honest. So, thanks for answering my question.
I'm not bothered that you're not a jobbing filmmaker, your opinion is still valid, but since we know more about you it's easier to give your viewpoint context. That's all.
Earlier you stated 'journalism' is OK, I'd say, it depends on the journalism, for example, I would never work for Fox News or The Sun newspaper. Other people are happy to work for them. So be it. That's their choice, not mine.
You also said, 'documentary' is OK. Well, two of the films I made for Philip Morris were documentaries. Were they OK. You might think not, though I'm happy with them. One was on how fake cigarettes are funding prostitution and people trafficking and the other was on the impact of plain packaging on independent retailers. Clearly one occupied a higher moral space than the other, but neither of those films were 'bad'. Their audience was the EU and heads of government. So, propaganda, yes, but not criminal Oh, and the TVC I made for Death cigarettes had it's tongue firmly in its cheek. So again, not criminal. We all understand cigs are bad...
There are no hard and fast rules to this. We're all hypocrites to some extent for shooting some of the things we do. Which is why I'd ask not to shoot the messenger - it might be me, or Sam, or JP or Jason...
I'm not bothered that you're not a jobbing filmmaker, your opinion is still valid, but since we know more about you it's easier to give your viewpoint context. That's all.
Earlier you stated 'journalism' is OK, I'd say, it depends on the journalism, for example, I would never work for Fox News or The Sun newspaper. Other people are happy to work for them. So be it. That's their choice, not mine.
You also said, 'documentary' is OK. Well, two of the films I made for Philip Morris were documentaries. Were they OK. You might think not, though I'm happy with them. One was on how fake cigarettes are funding prostitution and people trafficking and the other was on the impact of plain packaging on independent retailers. Clearly one occupied a higher moral space than the other, but neither of those films were 'bad'. Their audience was the EU and heads of government. So, propaganda, yes, but not criminal
Oh, and the TVC I made for Death cigarettes had it's tongue firmly in its cheek. So again, not criminal. We all understand cigs are bad...There are no hard and fast rules to this. We're all hypocrites to some extent for shooting some of the things we do. Which is why I'd ask not to shoot the messenger - it might be me, or Sam, or JP or Jason...
Hi Liam, thanks for you answer. I understand your point of view.
My fear was that these discussions can escalate quickly but I am glad that didn't happen. (Monthy Puthon Style: 'so you are calling me a criminal' No I didn't, yes you did, did you call me unhonest, no I did not etc etc...)
Long time ago I studied journalism so I do find these questions and discussions interesting.
One of these discussions is the thin line between 'being the messenger or maker of the message'
But that is a discussion for a new thread.
Now it is 21.30 and officially weekend. So let there be wine (stopped smoking started drinking).
Cheers
My fear was that these discussions can escalate quickly but I am glad that didn't happen. (Monthy Puthon Style: 'so you are calling me a criminal' No I didn't, yes you did, did you call me unhonest, no I did not etc etc...)
Long time ago I studied journalism so I do find these questions and discussions interesting.
One of these discussions is the thin line between 'being the messenger or maker of the message'
But that is a discussion for a new thread.
Now it is 21.30 and officially weekend. So let there be wine (stopped smoking started drinking).
Cheers
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