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Okay.. what happens when you mix lighting when shooting on tungsten film? (If you don't use 3200 kelvin).
I want to buy some lights, but I don't want to wait for 3200k lights to be shipped... is there any way around this? How bad will it look if I don't use 3200k lights?
Thanks.
I want to buy some lights, but I don't want to wait for 3200k lights to be shipped... is there any way around this? How bad will it look if I don't use 3200k lights?
Thanks.
Dmitry Kichenko
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Dude, the short-ends for 200T stock are at .19 a foot. That's nineteen dollars per a 100 footer. I don't think it gets any less expensive than this unless you go for expired stock.
Short ends are just what's left after you shoot a roll but don't use all the film on there. Say you shoot a single 2 minute take on a roll of 100'. You end up with 45 seconds of film left on that reel. All the other shots in your Kubrick-influenced film are at least 1 minute long, so you really don't have a use for these 45 seconds. Over time, you will have a bunch of those left overs. That's what shortends are. These guys are buying them off production companies in bulk and reselling them.
As to the lights, like Carleton mentioned, if you use anything under 3200K, the colour balance will be off to the red/orange side of the spectrum. That may or may not be the look you're after. 3200K bulbs you should be able to buy online or at any local photo or video store. They're far from a specialty item.
Short ends are just what's left after you shoot a roll but don't use all the film on there. Say you shoot a single 2 minute take on a roll of 100'. You end up with 45 seconds of film left on that reel. All the other shots in your Kubrick-influenced film are at least 1 minute long, so you really don't have a use for these 45 seconds. Over time, you will have a bunch of those left overs. That's what shortends are. These guys are buying them off production companies in bulk and reselling them.
As to the lights, like Carleton mentioned, if you use anything under 3200K, the colour balance will be off to the red/orange side of the spectrum. That may or may not be the look you're after. 3200K bulbs you should be able to buy online or at any local photo or video store. They're far from a specialty item.
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Dmitry Kichenko
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A lot of the questions you've asked so far are covered in any good photography book. Film is film, the main idea is exactly the same for still photography with only slight changes here and there. And if you're in too much of a rush to get this going, then you must either be rich or not shooting film at all. Film on a budget is about nothing but waiting around.
Oh.. thanks Dmitry.. I didn't notice the .19 one. I only saw the .33 film stock. That will definitely work! And I'm not necessarily trying to rush, but I am excited and asking a whole lot of questions because I can get answers from extremely smart people on here. I will definitely get some photography books though. Thanks again for all your advice, and to everyone else who has helped answer questions too. Cheers to you guys! Thanks ALOT! Colin
Dmitry Kichenko
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Have fun with film! You certainly will 
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Dmitry Kichenko
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Dmitry Kichenko
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1 - You will get as much as you pay for. For 19 bucks you'll get a 100 feet. For 38 you will get 200. Etcetera .
2 - If you're buying the original K-3 kit, it will come with a case. It does remind me of the Russian military gear cases though, which it is since the Krasnogorsk factory was indeed a military factory. The bag therefore is kind of bulky and heavy, so I just use my backpack with a few pieces of thick foam I stole from work.
Film is pricey, so for low-budget film go DIY where you can. I mean, seriously, a K-3 matte box? A good one will cost you as much as a sync-sound Beaulieu. Think twice before you buy the unnecessary crap that doesn't make you a better film maker.
.2 - If you're buying the original K-3 kit, it will come with a case. It does remind me of the Russian military gear cases though, which it is since the Krasnogorsk factory was indeed a military factory. The bag therefore is kind of bulky and heavy, so I just use my backpack with a few pieces of thick foam I stole from work.
Film is pricey, so for low-budget film go DIY where you can. I mean, seriously, a K-3 matte box? A good one will cost you as much as a sync-sound Beaulieu. Think twice before you buy the unnecessary crap that doesn't make you a better film maker.
Dmitry Kichenko
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I'm pretty sure they put the short ends together on whatever rolls you tell them. I am not sure, haven't dealt with the tape superstore in particular. The fact that you can order any number of feet tells me you should be able to pick the reel size. Which also means it is no different when it comes to loading short ends or new stock into the K-3.
I.e. it's more fun and exciting than air hockey.
I.e. it's more fun and exciting than air hockey.
Okay.. cool.
More exciting than air hockey?
How about more exciting than a meteor that fell out of the sky and tipped over a purple-colored cow that is chewing on a piece of 100 year old cardboard made in a backwoods factory in Michigan???
Hmm? Is it more exciting than that?
More exciting than air hockey?
How about more exciting than a meteor that fell out of the sky and tipped over a purple-colored cow that is chewing on a piece of 100 year old cardboard made in a backwoods factory in Michigan???
Hmm? Is it more exciting than that?
Dmitry Kichenko
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Went to pick up my test roll of film today. The 14 cents a foot place. They wanted to charge me 40 bucks. Someone screwed up and they wanted to charge me for reversal colour processing which is .40 a foot. And they didn't take anything but cash. I'm taking my next roll to the .16 a foot place (Technicolor). I have to learn not to be too cheap.
Dmitry Kichenko
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I scanned a few frames out of the first roll at 16bit per channel, 4800dpi, just to play around with colour correction. The stock was Vision2 50D. I definitely am staying away from video now:
Holy!!! That is beautiful! Screw video... you COULDN'T get the feel of film if you had a DVX with an M2.. only film feels like film (sorry DVX users... it's just aint gonna happen)
That is amazing footage... you convinced me big 'ol time. Thanks! How did you scan it? Did you just literally take the negative and scan it with a regular scanner? If so, couldn't you scan each frame to make a cheap 'telecine' ... psshh.. that would take 329 hours to scan and then you would have to crop out the edges in photoshop and then save each image and set them into a timeline in an editing program. I'll pass... But there aren't any processing/telecine places down here in Utah, so I will have to have the footage shipped... (and pay the shipping costs 
) which is kinda risky.. hopefully the film will be okay.
Also, this is some good footage below... I think it was shot on an Arriflex BL, but it looks really nice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPy39B_Cw
Pretty nice footage that guy's got there.
Anyways.. thanks again.
That is amazing footage... you convinced me big 'ol time. Thanks!
How did you scan it? Did you just literally take the negative and scan it with a regular scanner? If so, couldn't you scan each frame to make a cheap 'telecine' ... psshh.. that would take 329 hours to scan and then you would have to crop out the edges in photoshop and then save each image and set them into a timeline in an editing program. I'll pass... But there aren't any processing/telecine places down here in Utah, so I will have to have the footage shipped... (and pay the shipping costs ) which is kinda risky.. hopefully the film will be okay.Also, this is some good footage below... I think it was shot on an Arriflex BL, but it looks really nice!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7CPy39B_Cw
Pretty nice footage that guy's got there.
Anyways.. thanks again.