fastfinger
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haha.. that's great. It does look like my alarm clock.
Bolex D16: RAW, 16/Super 16 sensor size, costs less than MkIII
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Handheld is great and the idea here is you can just pick it up and shoot. But, we all know that you need 3 points for a steady shot. It's like a tripod, you need at least three legs or it doesn't stand up. They should have put some sort of shoulder brace on it so it would be steady. If you just grab the pistol grip it's going to be wobbly.
You guys are aware that the D16 is supposed to be the modern equivalent of the venerable Bolex H16. That's the reason for its shape. Even the removable bottom handle is in homage to the original film camera. I used to own an H16, and you can hold them pretty steady with one hand on the bottom handle and the other holding either the body or the lens. Millions and millions of feet of 16mm film have been run through H16s over many decades.
I like what the builders are doing. Raw video in a retro body.
I like what the builders are doing. Raw video in a retro body.
starcentral
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I still own a Bolex H16. It is 100% fully functional with all original case and accessories. I've even put some film through several years back and had it developed. It was a fun camera to play around with and in the 1930's I'm sure it was all the rage. Have you seen any movies or clips from back then? Camera moves were practically non-existent.
Today's modern filmmaker isn't going run around holding a pistol grip shooting high-end features. Now it's all about a stripped down camera box mounted on a shoulder rig, steadicam, or slider to create cinematic moves which are thought through and motivated. I guaranteed that grip won't stay on long for many before the "box" is fitted to some type of rig.
Today's modern filmmaker isn't going run around holding a pistol grip shooting high-end features. Now it's all about a stripped down camera box mounted on a shoulder rig, steadicam, or slider to create cinematic moves which are thought through and motivated. I guaranteed that grip won't stay on long for many before the "box" is fitted to some type of rig.
Fluoro
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I'm just using prores on the BMCC. Not quite as good as Raw but still amazing and smallish file sizes.
swaneon
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Do you mean 30 minutes worth or just 30 minutes bc them 30 minutes is shout 240-250 gb
I can transfer 240gb in about 15-20 minutes
so it's about 30-40 for 500gb over sata dock and a bit slower on USB 3 but nowhere near 2 hours
simonpwood
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Actually this camera was designed to be used with only one hand, freeing up the other hand for cruising around in a retro gear-less bicycle, the wind blowing through your handlebar mustache and ruffling the feather in your fedora hat.
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the dream of the future in 1890.
Yes, it will be fitted into a modern camera rig, and yes, it will also be used with its bottom handle. Why wouldn't it? I use my FS100 hand held by its side handle. I can't know for sure until I handle one, but I'm guessing the D16 will balance in one hand a lot better than my FS100. If I had the D16, I'd definitely get some hand held use with that bottom handle. That's one of the charms of this camera.
Simon Shasha
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Hi Gillvane,
I really like the set-up in your picture - could you please link me to the components you used? Thanks
There are many other forms of film making outside of high end features. Given the the proliferation of intentional hand held shaky cam as a style of shooting in dramatic features, I think this is not a 100% true statement. But the camera is a modular box so it can be rigged any way you want it. It certainly will be more functional and stable hand held than any unrigged DSLR form factor camera.
starcentral
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Are these the same people who want to shoot using the raw format and upgrade their home computers and implement a NAS or SAN?
Yup! It is getting cheaper and easier to do this every day. The D16 will likely not be the first choice of working professionals in commercial markets. But for experimental creative film makers it will be an interesting option. It is a small niche market camera like the Ikonoskop.
Samuel H
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Indeed. I'm not going to join the DBolex group anytime soon, but RAW doesn't scare me at all. Nowadays you're probably going to spend more money if you want to buy a decent set of lights and a cheap mic than if you want a high-end PC that can edit RAW for a 10-minute short without crawling to a halt. If you don't have to buy the software again, you already have a good monitor, and you can live with Windows, a current $1K PC packs a lot of heat.
Not if you count in RAID devices to keep your data protected AND have the multiple terabytes of space necessary. An 8TB RAID setup (barely enough to contain a single movie shot on the BMCC for instance) is around $1400-$1600 depending on what you get.
adkimery
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Fast, redundant storage is not though. Then double what you need to make an offline (better yet offsite) backup of all your footage.
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adkimery
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Fast, redundant storage is not though. Then double what you need to make an offline (better yet offsite) backup of all your footage.
-Andrew
Hi Gillvane,
I really like the set-up in your picture - could you please link me to the components you used? Thanks
It's a random photo used as an example of a simple shoulder rig. My point is for practicality they should have made a simple shoulder rig rather than a pistol grip because it's more stable.
I was thinking of something like the shoulder stock for an UZI would have made the DB more stable.
