Other: BlackMagic Cinema camera!!!! 2.5k for 3k...

snowleopard said:
The more I think about it, the more I don't think this camera will compete that much with DSLRs, or traditional camcorders. It will definitely siphon off buyers from those in the indie filmmaking world, but the camera seems to be it's own beast. Forging it's own path. I say this not just because of sensor size, but also features. I also believe a good deal of people who purchase DSLRs do so because of the still and video functions. Of course most people buy them for still features, first and foremost. So I really don't think it's going to put a huge dent in Canon's sales.
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A good point. This is a Blackmagic *cinema camera*. They are aiming for this to be a complimentary production camera, not a replacement for an Alexa or RED.

jb
 
Barry_Green said:
Oh, I totally agree. They probably made the wisest business decision from their perspective, and I don't begrudge them that. I just wish that they could have designed it with an interchangeable mount so that everyone could be happy.

Still, I've got my set of ZFs, so I can make it work, I just think it's a little odd to represent it as a "cinema camera" and not allow the use of genuine cinema lenses. But I also fully recognize that people in the market for a $2999 raw camera aren't likely to be using $20,000 lenses on it, they're much more likely to be upgrading from a DSLR, and most of those (for video use) are Canon, so ... it's a totally logical decision, just a personally inconvenient one. But you can't win 'em all!
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The way they build the camera, the sensor and mount are basically one assembly. They can't make it interchangeable and have the tolerances all line up. They are looking to have PL and m4/3 sometime down the road. They wanted to get the camera out and shipping first and then look at expanding it. Likely you'll be able to order it with the mount you want, like the Canon....cept they won't do m4/3 :-)

They are even thinking about making the OLPF optional or removable. There are pros and cons for this and in a way, how awesome to have the choice.

jb
 
Barry_Green said:
I don't know what the talk is about "ZF" mount. There isn't a ZF mount, of course, there's F mount. But the guys on the show floor said specifically that it was ONLY Canon EF mount. Period. And if you look at the body, the tube that is molded out of it is a long, long tube.

Sorry to dash all the hopes of everyone who wants multiple lens mounts, but unless I'm missing something (and I very well could be) this BlackMagic is only and solely an EF mount camera. Which means you will not be using 4/3 or m43 or c-mount or S16 lenses, and you won't be able to use PL primes, and you may not be able to use several (or even many) PL zooms. What you can use on an EF mount camera, is Nikon F-mount lenses; you can get a thin adapter ring. But I don't think you can adapt Nikon G lenses to Canon EF mount bodies, and there's no room for an iris lever ring (like on the Nikon adapters for the FS100 and AF100).

Looking forward to more info, but that's what it looks like to me right now.
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Correct. As far as I know, it's EF mount only.

jb
 
Did he just said native 800 ISO and comes with 400,800 1600 ISO settings?

Now that´s interesting, I was under the impression it´s natively around 300 ISO.
If this is really true, it would be more lowlight sensitive than the FS100.
Actually more lowlight sensitive than anything else.

 
Rick Burnett said:
If it's a bayer pattern, which it probably is, then you are correct, the actual resolution will be less than the pixel count. However, you get to control how that downsample happens, and possibly the debayer algorithm used if it is truly raw, then you get at least the advantage of doing what you want with the sensor data and not having to live with how the internal algorithms decide to do it. Or, which is great, you CAN use the internal algorithms if you need, mostly for fast turn around. Best of both worlds.
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I think this is the great thing about this camera. It can scale up or down depending on your needs for the production. Like the Alexa, 2.5K / 2.6K Bayer makes good 1920.

jb
 
Good to know its EF mount only for now. Clears up the info that's on their website. I think Kholi asked if the EF mount also powers OIS on compatible lenses.
 
Postmaster said:
Did he just said native 800 ISO and comes with 400,800 1600 ISO settings?

Now that´s interesting, I was under the impression it´s natively around 300 ISO.
If this is really true, it would be more lowlight sensitive than the FS100.
Actually more lowlight sensitive than anything else.

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They are still working on this, but 800 native is where they are heading for.

jb
 
John Brawley said:
They are even thinking about making the OLPF optional or removable. There are pros and cons for this and in a way, how awesome to have the choice.

jb
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I think a totally modular approach is also a cool idea, to make this even more affordable. Just a sensor with HD-SDI and hdmi out. You would not be able to record RAW but take 10bit out to a Shuttle. Drop in wifi and I can control it via my iPhone. Sell it for $1,500
 
Kholi said:
AGH Crap another question: does John mention anything about the electronic mounts controlling things like image Stabilization? That would be a huge factor in which mount to initially buy, even if you get two different mounts (M4/3). Etc.

It'd also be a serious boon to people wanting to go handheld with long lenses.
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At the moemtn the mount is powered but IS isn't working. I've been told it will for shipping. Iris control works now.

jb
 
Everyone seems confused about the EF/ZF mount situation. I believe, like most of you, ZF is BMD's mistake and they meant F mount. As for no one seeing how the mounts can be changed I say it's likely the whole front panel removes and gets replaced not just the mount. BMD did something similar with the Hyperdeck Shuttle 1 and 2. The whole bottom plate comes off and gets replaced with the Hyperdeck Shuttle cheese plate. It seems it's in BMD nature and priority to keep the design simple looking, I mean they are Blackmagic DESIGN right?
 
Thanks for the IS info! Glad to know they are going to cover IS for the shipping version. That's actually very impressive.
 
Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, or it's a stupid question - still tired from spending half the night reading these threads and an early rise to pre-order, following a tiring Shoot.

Does it have any sort of Input, i.e., could you use it as a replacement for an external recorder and Monitor on other Cameras; F3, AF-100, etc. Like a Hyperdeck with a Monitor?

Actually, Im already thinking this ain't gonna work, bit rates, codes, software required, etc., but perhaps someone more technical and less tired could think this through?

Neil.
 
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Kholi said:
Thanks very much. Have you heard of any of the internal batteries on the hyper decks conking out?

On the flip side, that means continuous power, no drop outs, and I'm sure there's a battery meter read out. It also means that you can charge your externals and basically live off of two batteries. One should power the camera for the proposed two hour charging time, then it's off to the charger with it.
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Correct. I use it just like i use power on hyper decks. Use the internal battery to float between power sources.

jb
 
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