Birger Mount

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Well, all electronic focus from every manufacturer is ... blech. There's nothing unique about the Lumix lenses that way. In fact, they're okay, they're just ... meh. What you probably read was that I said it was nigh unto pointless to try to use a manual follow focus device, with a gear-ring, on one of these electronic-focusing lenses. That just has "silly" written all over it, and I think you'd be much better off using an electronic follow focus.

As for waiting for the Birger -- I wouldn't wait for anything. If you've got jobs to do, get the gear you need to go out and do them. The Birger mount might come out next month, or it might not. It was originally talked about as being released at the same time the camera was -- and that was last December.

Don't wait for anything. Make a good plan and go with it. The nice thing about lenses is that there's a massive used marketplace out there; you can pick up (and sell) anything in the world on ebay. So get what you need, and if the Birger comes out three months from now and it's the cat's meow, then sell what you bought now and get a Birger and some EOS lenses at that time.

But waiting? I'd much rather be shooting than waiting. :thumbsup:
 
I know people have been saying don't complain about the delay, it wont do any good etc etc, but we make decisions based on available information, so if you you have many L Lenses and plan to use them with the AF100, then 6 months later the adapter that was supposed to be released to allow you use them is still not available, then I don't think it unreasonable that people are upset, particulary when you preorder it and are charged the full amount. If Birger had said nothing about the mount then I may not have bought the AF100. So at the moment I have the choice of paying a couple of grand on lenses that I don't wont, even if I can sell them on Ebay, I still have a pretty significant outlay, and will loose out by reselling. The bottom line is Birgers premature press releases have cost me quite a bit of money, so it's difficult to be philosophicall about it.
 
Welcome to the forum. I feel your pain. However, you understand that anyone jumping ship on preliminary information takes a leap of faith. It may end up the product that you want, at the price you expect, and time frames acceptable, but one or more expectations may not come true. It is like playing lottery, especially banking on a joint without any track record of their ability to execute. Hope it will come sooner rather than later.
 
FilmEquipmentHire said:
I know people have been saying don't complain about the delay, it wont do any good etc etc, but we make decisions based on available information, so if you you have many L Lenses and plan to use them with the AF100, then 6 months later the adapter that was supposed to be released to allow you use them is still not available, then I don't think it unreasonable that people are upset, particulary when you preorder it and are charged the full amount. If Birger had said nothing about the mount then I may not have bought the AF100. So at the moment I have the choice of paying a couple of grand on lenses that I don't wont, even if I can sell them on Ebay, I still have a pretty significant outlay, and will loose out by reselling. The bottom line is Birgers premature press releases have cost me quite a bit of money, so it's difficult to be philosophicall about it.
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You make one post and are already whining. We've talked this to death for 6 months. Sell your AF100, sell your lenses but don't try to place the blame on Eric or anyone but yourself. I can't believe you actually bought the AF100 because of a Birger mount on the drawing boards - most of us bought the camera for it's image quality.

Birger is ready when it's perfect and as I've said before, at least the AF100 mount is going to be released before the Sony and Arri models. Until then, I and many other posters on this forum are perfectly satisfied using Voigtlander, Zeiss, Canon, Lumix and Nikkor primes and any other glass that works.

In the meantime, I'm thankful for this return to 'film school 101', back to basics and the beauty of prime lenses with a twist to focus, f/stop rings, light meters and none of that zooming auto-crap that we grew much too accustomed to and reliant upon.

Regards.
Scott
 
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Cmon gang. Let's cut film equipment hire some slack. Yeah perhaps he shouldn't have bought an AF100 based on the release of the Birger mount. But Birger also shouldn't be telling us that it's going to ship in January / April / end of May / July if they really have no idea when it's going to ship. They should have said that the product was in development and they hoped to ship at a certain time. But they didn't do that! Hell the fact that the late May ship date wasn't going to happen didn't even come from Birger. We learned that from a dealer while Birger's website still stated it would ship in late May.

Don't give Birger a pass here. I bet a lot of those who defend Birger are the same people who (with good reason) dismiss all the Scarlett speculation. Can't we all agree that both RED and Birger have done a piss poor job of communicating with their customers? We should expect better.

My 02 cents.
 
Well said derbrocks, I agree wholeheartedly. Marketing before development can be very misleading. I guess the moral is to not trust ANY company especially those that have zero runs on the board.
 
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Can't we all agree that both RED and Birger have done a piss poor job of communicating with their customers? We should expect better.
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Agree, but what's the point? Do you think that you or we can influence each RED and Birger of the world to change their practices? Isn't it more efficient to instead exercise sound judgement sometimes? It is a useful virtue in life...
 
I think this gives us an opportunity to thank Panasonic for being a "stand-up" company. When they announce something, they
deliver in a timely manner. They may not announce everything we want .. but contrasting them to RED (the poster-child for over-marketing
and under-delivering) and Birger (silence is deadly) .. I'll take predictability over
hype and promises any day.

jeff
 
maxusa said:
Agree, but what's the point? Do you think that you or we can influence each RED and Birger of the world to change their practices? Isn't it more efficient to instead exercise sound judgement sometimes? It is a useful virtue in life...
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Actually, the problem, as I see it, is that these companies communicate TOO MUCH about their unreleased products! Some do it as a pre-emptive strike against their competitors, getting customer's attention and freezing their purchase decisions, preventing them from buying a competitors offering. Or, it could be sheer naivete, where they believe in their product, and think that spreading the word about the soon to be available holy grail is the best policy. Either way, the resulting "thud" in the market that comes from unexploded new products makes them look silly. Remember, Scarlet is not a product, it's a dream.

Notice that, quite often, the folks that are guilty of this are American companies.

I love the Japanese way. No talk about un-released products, no promises of this or that, just BAM! here you are, the latest widget for your business. Clean. Simple. No bullsh!t.

There's a company — American, by the way — out there that sold many units of a rather pricey video gadget. Many were the promises: features to be added, functionality inside, soon to be unleashed. It's now years later. Promises unfulfilled, functionality unrealized. Customers? Not so happy!

What's that business saying? Oh, yeah: it's better to under-promise and over-deliver.
 
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