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If I followed the presentation at RULE correctly it seems Birger believes they can make varifocal zooms perform as parfocals. I'm sold & have pre-ordered two.
 
Pelican said:
I can't find the pre-order on Able Cine's site?
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I don't think it's on either site. You need to call, or email, them.

Abel/LA has had some interest from a number of their clients, & will generate an invoice, while Rule requires a 10% deposit. Seems Birger plans on releasing 1000 units initially, so stock shouldn't be too hard to find, but they have a close working relationship with Rule.

-Bern
 
Hey ERIK talked with you at NAB, great product so the big question. Should I order the AF100 now or wait. My L Glass would like a new home. Will you ship in April?
 
I know it's been said already, but these guys are really missing the boat by not releasing a "light" version that just handles focus and iris. (This is assuming that this adapter lets the camera control these, something not entirely clear from the demo I saw). I can't imagine that the tiny percentage of AF100 users who want all the remote and computer controls is worth delaying the release of this product for months.

The funny thing to me about this is that the Birger guy says how much the 5D and 7D surprised people. He obviously doesn't get that most people don't need to a rig that emulates a $100,000 system to be happy, just one that produces a great image with basic controls. My guess is that being a tech guy he can't absorb this fact.
 
stevedocmaker said:
these guys are really missing the boat by not releasing a "light" version that just handles focus and iris. (This is assuming that this adapter lets the camera control these, something not entirely clear from the demo I saw). My guess is that being a tech guy he can't absorb this fact.
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The product that you describe is exactly what we will ship first.

We are choosing not show the camera integration until it meets my standards. As of NAB it had not yet reached that level. The computer integration is free, and has been complete for many years! On a most basic level, this is necessary for software upgrades by end customers. Anyone would purchase a product like this that does not support software upgrades by end customers - is seriously short sighted. We don't need software updates on the lens side like we once did, as we know we are compatible with ALL of the lenses ever manufactured by Canon - numbering more than 140 at last count. But, the micro-fourthirds and sony e-mount protocols are newer to us - so we feel software updateability is still important. Birger will never ship a product that does not allow for field upgrade. Never.

The basic product allows for tight integration with the camera, and expansion via the side port at a later date. Once this is ready, we will ship. We announced last week, at NAB, that this would be late May. Any second guessing of our motives, market understanding or anything else is just silly. We are, and will continue to hold things relatively tight until we release. When footage starts showing up on the web shot with the system, using our preproduction adapters and the concept version of our focus knobs - you will know that we are shipping adapters in a matter of weeks. And, we already know who is shooting this footage for us, so if you have to ask... assume the answer is no.

The knobs will be an accessory, and available this summer. We showed a concept version at NAB last week, as an introduction to the complete system, and the capabilities that it offers. Once the adapters for the AF100 are shipping we will discuss this module in more detail.

You will not see a quickly thrown together release from Birger. We will not ship a product, and then offer the "right" version of that product just a few months later. Hang tight, and allow us to get our work done. I promise, you will not be disappointed with the functionality and value that we deliver.
 
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The product that you describe is exactly what we will ship first.

We are choosing not show the camera integration until it meets my standards. As of NAB it had not yet reached that level. The computer integration is free, and has been complete for many years! On a most basic level, this is necessary for software upgrades by end customers. Anyone would purchase a product like this that does not support software upgrades by end customers - is seriously short sighted. We don't need software updates on the lens side like we once did, as we know we are compatible with ALL of the lenses ever manufactured by Canon - numbering more than 140 at last count. But, the micro-fourthirds and sony e-mount protocols are newer to us - so we feel software updateability is still important. Birger will never ship a product that does not allow for field upgrade. Never.

The basic product allows for tight integration with the camera, and expansion via the side port at a later date. Once this is ready, we will ship. We announced last week, at NAB, that this would be late May. Any second guessing of our motives, market understanding or anything else is just silly. We are, and will continue to hold things relatively tight until we release. When footage starts showing up on the web shot with the system, using our preproduction adapters and the concept version of our focus knobs - you will know that we are shipping adapters in a matter of weeks. And, we already know who is shooting this footage for us, so if you have to ask... assume the answer is no.

The knobs will be an accessory, and available this summer. We showed a concept version at NAB last week, as an introduction to the complete system, and the capabilities that it offers. Once the adapters for the AF100 are shipping we will discuss this module in more detail.

You will not see a quickly thrown together release from Birger. We will not ship a product, and then offer the "right" version of that product just a few months later. Hang tight, and allow us to get our work done. I promise, you will not be disappointed with the functionality and value that we deliver.
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One thing I didn't see anyone ask, is the Emount version being released the same time as the m4/3 mount? Second, is the adapter moduler? Could you possibly offer mount changes for the same front, or would you need to buy both mounts seperate? (I ask because I have an AF100, and I want to pick up an FS100 as well).

Thanks!
 
Rick Burnett said:
One thing I didn't see anyone ask, is the Emount version being released the same time as the m4/3 mount? Second, is the adapter moduler? Could you possibly offer mount changes for the same front, or would you need to buy both mounts seperate? (I ask because I have an AF100, and I want to pick up an FS100 as well).
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E-mount will release a few weeks to a few months after uFT. I only first saw the NXCAM on 23 March - the day the press embargo was lifted. It was a small miracle that we were able to do this demo at NAB. You should al thank Juan Martinez at Sony for driving this. When he asked if we could have that demo ready by NAB... I asked, NAB 2012, right?

The products are modular, but not at the level that you suggest. All accessories (knobs, radios, zoom motors) will work with all mounts that have an accessory port. But, all lens adapters are camera type (i.e. e-mount or microFT) specific, AND lens type (i.e. Canon EF, or Sony Alpha) specific. There is enough variation in the electrical, software and mechanical designs between all of these interfaces, that we chose to break it out this way. There was a time (mind you, when our products cost twice as much as the soon to be released) when we tried to be modular at a finer level than this, but we came to learn that enough of the customer base did careless things with screwdrivers, that we weren''t able to support that level of modularity.

Going to sneak back away from DVXuser for awhile. There is a "general news" email announcment due out from us in the next day or two. Still just catching our breath after a wildly successful NAB.
 
Thanks Erik for the information. I totally understand on the modularity issues, I just wanted to make sure I understood the product capabilities. I cannot wait to own one :)

Rick
 
Birger said:
We will not ship a product, and then offer the "right" version of that product just a few months later. Hang tight, and allow us to get our work done. I promise, you will not be disappointed with the functionality and value that we deliver.
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I don't think that's asking too much, is it? :huh:
 
Birger said:
E-mount will release a few weeks to a few months after uFT. I only first saw the NXCAM on 23 March - the day the press embargo was lifted. It was a small miracle that we were able to do this demo at NAB. You should al thank Juan Martinez at Sony for driving this. When he asked if we could have that demo ready by NAB... I asked, NAB 2012, right?

The products are modular, but not at the level that you suggest. All accessories (knobs, radios, zoom motors) will work with all mounts that have an accessory port. But, all lens adapters are camera type (i.e. e-mount or microFT) specific, AND lens type (i.e. Canon EF, or Sony Alpha) specific. There is enough variation in the electrical, software and mechanical designs between all of these interfaces, that we chose to break it out this way. There was a time (mind you, when our products cost twice as much as the soon to be released) when we tried to be modular at a finer level than this, but we came to learn that enough of the customer base did careless things with screwdrivers, that we weren''t able to support that level of modularity.

Going to sneak back away from DVXuser for awhile. There is a "general news" email announcment due out from us in the next day or two. Still just catching our breath after a wildly successful NAB.
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Since nobody is picking up my question over at F3 forum, I had to ask here: any news about F3 Birger adapter???
 
Isn't this called the BIRGER thread? I don't think that looks like a birger mount to me.. And the two are NOT comparible.

Jay
 
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