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So based on those articles, there really isn't much history showing that Birger will even deliver for NAB. So that kind of shoots down the plans to get canon, at least novoflex has a good adapter for nikon and perhaps in the future Birger will have a nikon mount, but in the meantime with high end nikon glass and the novoflex adapter, I'll have full manual control over my lenses. I've heard a lot of hot and cold over the kipon, so spending $200 on an okay adapter or spending almost $300 on one with real aperture control and much better quality sounds like a better bet.
 
Good point, I wish my clients were so understanding:) but back in the real world we have to work to deadlines and deliver. Sorry fella that is the bottom line in my world. a decent explanation from birger would explain if they need extra time because of electronics or the weather or whaterver
 
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Barry mentioned that this thread was worth giving a look. There are some very passionate people here. We have an exciting product coming. We take all of the passion that is being expressed here as a sign of that. It is clear that we (here at Birger) aren't the only ones excited about this product. But let's try to keep this civil. Engineering and manufacturing projects do have adjustments in schedule from time to time. It is a fact of life.

For the past three years, 100% of Birger's revenue has come from the manufacture and sale of motion control systems for camera lenses. For the past three years, this has come to be all we do. And we do it well.

Aside from building and shipping our current products, getting the AF100 product finished and shipping is our only priority. You have my word on that. You will not find us hanging out on the boards talking about our products, or discussing the details of what necessitated the schedule change. My last post on this forum was many months ago, and my next may be equally far off.

Sit tight. Go to the back up plan if you need to. The product is coming.
 
I definitely think this passion is because we want to use your product and the af100, so the idea of having to wait longer and put off our intended use can just as easily turn from excitement to frustration. I know I was hoping to get it in a couple weeks and buy canon glass and put all this lens research behind me and get shooting, so that's what was frustrating for me...now I have to figure out if I can wait or not, and then figure out an alternative path. Thank you for coming to the forum, Convergent Design is a company that was very active on the boards so we always knew where they were, issues that cropped up, it was a pretty good model for building good will with their potential customer base. Not that you have the interest or personnel to do that, but its a thought. Thank you again, I look forward to your product if it turns out I can wait. Also is there pricing on the remote control yet? Thanks in advance!
 
Sorry is that it?

I see a lot of words but nothing Informative, this is not personal before anyone says anything:)

Can you please give us some more solid information on delivery dates?

I personally have invested in over £5k worth of eos glass Because of your original delivery schedule already.

I haven't really got a plan b my only other option will cost me alot of money
 
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Why would you invest over £5k on glass that is dependent on a product that hasn't been released yet without a plan B?
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Pure stupidity and belief in people/brands delivering what they say, which again is pure stupidity!

Don't get me wrong I made the mistake, I have to hire in glass instead of using what I have until birger come through.

That's why I Would like some more info on delivery
 
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Good point, I wish my clients were so understanding:) but back in the real world we have to work to deadlines and deliver. Sorry fella that is the bottom line in my world. a decent explanation from birger would explain if they need extra time because of electronics or the weather or whaterver
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Did you even read my post? They did explain. They said that they have had to change things because they are setting up for global distribution through resellers.
 
sofresh said:
Sorry is that it?
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Yes. That is it.

I see a lot of words but nothing Informative, this is not personal before anyone says anything:)

Can you please give us some more solid information on delivery dates?
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They already did. They said it would be released in mid-April. And they also said that that date could easily slip by a couple of weeks, either way -- sooner, or later.
 
sofresh said:
Pure stupidity and belief in people/brands delivering what they say, which again is pure stupidity!

Don't get me wrong I made the mistake, I have to hire in glass instead of using what I have until birger come through.

That's why I Would like some more info on delivery
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Yes, you made a mistake. And with all due respect, please don't blame someone else for a mistake you made. That's no different than the people sitting on the sidelines screaming about Red for not delivering the Scarlet.

Here is the cold, hard truth -- a product that is unreleased is a product that is unreleased, and it will not be released until it is ready. It will not be released before it's ready because you want it sooner, it will not be released before it's ready because you need it sooner, it will not be released before it's ready. And if it was released before it's ready, you wouldn't want it anyway! And, furthermore, any dates they give are going to be subject to change. It won't be ready until it's ready. And it won't be released until it's ready.

You say "just work harder". It doesn't work that way. Nine women, no matter how hard they try, cannot produce a baby in one month.

So here's the cold hard reality -- you've dug yourself in a hole, and now you have to take the efforts to make it work. My advice to you is to just get the Kipon adapter and get to work. Or buy a couple of Lumix lenses, and when the Birger mount comes out, if you're still interested in it, sell the Lumix lenses on ebay. You will probably get 80% of what you paid for them, which means that you'd be basically "renting" them for almost free.

Some of my longest-standing advice on this forum is: "never buy something that doesn't do what you want, hoping that it will change." That's just foolhardy. The only products you can choose from are those that are on the market right now. Any future product is, by definition, not an option until it is available for purchase. Making business decisions based on anticipated future product introductions is not wise.
 
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All good advice thanks Sir I'll take it on board.I did say this was my mistake and am not blaming may be venting but not blaming.

Like you agreed before, it is a letdown

Let's wait and see if they deliver or if history repeats it's self.
 
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I'll add two more options:

- get a big variable ND filter and some step-down rings for your L glass

and/or

- spend a a few hundred on several older, manual lenses, and an adapter or two for them; in the weeks/months of ownership, they won't depreciate much at all, because they've already leveled off, and (like me), you might find the build quality and manual controls a welcome change
 
Yes, right now we don't have a choice... we gotta make do with what we've got. For me it's meant buying Lumix lenses and some CP's. For others with Nikon lenses they're making do with various adapters, and for Canon guys the Kipon has caused a bit of a stir. Apparently it's not good enough for deep f-stops, but at wide-open apparently it's okay (or at least that's what I think the folks have been saying)... so some combination of using the camera's ND filters, and fine adjustment with the Kipon, and maybe an ISO bump here or there, might be the patchover workaround necessary until the Birger delivers.

I know you're frustrated, and I can understand why, but ... with unreleased products, there's just no way to know. One thing we learned when I was in software development though -- our boss had a saying of "A late game is only late until it ships. A bad game is bad forever." So now, I take the attitude of that it'll ship when it ships, and if I have a job to do and whatever I'm waiting for isn't out yet, well, you just gotta make do with what you can get your hands on. Good luck, I hope you can make a workable interim solution!
 
mkfotos.com said:
- spend a a few hundred on several older, manual lenses, and an adapter or two for them; in the weeks/months of ownership, they won't depreciate much at all, because they've already leveled off, and (like me), you might find the build quality and manual controls a welcome change
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See, this I think is a great suggestion, because with ebay there's a worldwide market of lenses that you can buy cheaply and sell when you're done with them, and there's so many photographers who are always looking for glass, that the difference between what you pay and what you sell for is so minimal that it's almost like renting for free. Great suggestion.
 
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Barry mentioned that this thread was worth giving a look. There are some very passionate people here. We have an exciting product coming. We take all of the passion that is being expressed here as a sign of that. It is clear that we (here at Birger) aren't the only ones excited about this product. But let's try to keep this civil. Engineering and manufacturing projects do have adjustments in schedule from time to time. It is a fact of life.

For the past three years, 100% of Birger's revenue has come from the manufacture and sale of motion control systems for camera lenses. For the past three years, this has come to be all we do. And we do it well.

Aside from building and shipping our current products, getting the AF100 product finished and shipping is our only priority. You have my word on that. You will not find us hanging out on the boards talking about our products, or discussing the details of what necessitated the schedule change. My last post on this forum was many months ago, and my next may be equally far off.

Sit tight. Go to the back up plan if you need to. The product is coming.
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I understand that delays can occur, I shall stick to using manual lenses for now.

Is there a way to pre-order both the mount and wireless remote system?

I would love a guarantee I will get it as soon as you guys start shipoing?

All the best and thanks,

Harry
 
Hi,

can someone post some link on what are the currently available options of putting canon ef lenses on the af-100 camera...as it seems that birger will have a huge delay...I was trying to find some working options even if it is not ideal...thanks
 
Hi,

I was just searching their official kipon site and I just couldn't find the right apdapter to fit canon ef to micro 4/3....could you point me where I can the right adapter from kipon...and what is the deal with this adapter...what are the advantages disadvantages...thanks for the input
 
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