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just spoke to cvp and they said that they were told by eric that they would receive them by the end of the month;)

I'm first on the list and paid in full so watch this space.
 
I have already stated that we will announce dealers and a ship date two weeks ahead of shipping. I will confirm that we have not made this announcement yet. If a dealer, or anybody else, is offering a prediction on the ship date, and I have not yet sent the email to the "general news" list, then it is just that, a prediction. Given past history I will predict that somebody will repost the announcement before the last email has left the building. It takes about 30 minutes for our system to send 1500 emails.

N.B. Up until I hit the send key on the mass email, the official word will be: The announcement has still not been made, and I will not offer any predictions as to when it will be made. When Mark Twain, on the opening of Huck Finn wrote, "PERSONS attempting to find a motive in this narrative will be prosecuted; persons attempting to find a moral in it will be banished; persons attempting to find a plot in it will be shot.," he was asking the reader to dig deeper and read between the lines. I hope it is quite clear that nothing I say here is quite so clever, and certainly not layered. There is absolutely nothing new in this post. We are not ready yet, and we will announce when we are.

We are driven by the excitement; annoyed by the speculations and negativity; and looking forward to making this announcement when it is time.
 
I guess we are all annoyed by the speculations with the deadline and release that was fuelled by birger. This has become a negative thread which needs some positive energy for sure. The only thing that is going to do that is some happy customers;)

We can only speculate to when that will be.
 
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We are driven by the excitement; annoyed by the speculations and negativity; and looking forward to making this announcement when it is time.
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Perhaps not Twain, but well put! (and better Twain than Poe in this case!)
There is absolutely nothing new in this post.
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Thanks for the post, even if not technically an update...
 
tomorrow will take a look at the AF100 Canon birger mount... #fb

-phillip bloom on twitter

interesting to see it in real world test!
 
if someone could spare me reading through 40 pages and other threads. what is the rundown of the final specs/pricing, the birger website just doesn't get updated and the red one pdf doesn't give much clear info either.

So is there one kit only? if so what does it include, if other kits what are the differences?

Pricing? are things controlled through the camera? is the wireless module included or separate? if separate how much?

Sorry for not wanting to dig through and find all that myself, but it just makes a lot more sense for the OP to update the first post with all this relevant info that arises throughout the thread.
 
wow really? what's the story with post 401 sofresh saying he's first in line paid in full.... sofresh what exactly are you paid in full for if nearly no details are actually set?

all respect to birger, but this has become a pretty bad case of vaporware. i understand that i do NOT understand what they are going through to get this product to market, but the 'red' way that's been gone on about it is really quite annoying and why i stopped following the progress of this several months back.

i can't tell a company what to do, but as someone who was highly interested in the product when that first demo video cam out, my interest has flopped considerably.

I don't ask for much as a consumer, and i don't think it unreasonable to expect a company to update their website with current info at least every other week for a product in development.

Erik, you guys put together a great demo video of the product, that set a tone, then nothing ever since. Seriously, just post an update on there every so often, tell us about those equipment mishaps, anything really to keep us interested. and most importantly have a darn product page with actual product info/specs/pricing/etc... even if it's all tentative, just list it so your potential customers don't have to dig through forums full of speculation and misinformation. i love that you're on here talkin, but your website should be the final word on current info.

Apologies for the strong words, but in the end it's because i want to like the company and i want to like the product, plain and simple.
 
I believe Eric has given a few updates on this thread, including details on the mishaps. Might want to go back and read them. But yes, details on the site and newsletters might be nice for those looking for info.
 
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all respect to birger, but this has become a pretty bad case of vaporware. i understand that i do NOT understand what they are going through to get this product to market, but the 'red' way that's been gone on about it is really quite annoying and why i stopped following the progress of this several months back.
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Which is why Birger came on and said (paraphrased) "stop looking for updates. i will announce a couple of weeks prior to shipment. Until then, there's nothing going to be said or announced, no new dates, nothing like that. When I know for a fact I can ship it within a couple of weeks, that's when I'll announce something."

I don't ask for much as a consumer, and i don't think it unreasonable to expect a company to update their website with current info at least every other week for a product in development.
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He tried updating people as it went, and it just led to agony for folks whenever (inevitable) delays cropped up. So, just like Red, that whole concept of updating during development is pretty much a dead idea. Now what we want is to not even hear about a product until it's ready to ship.

but in the end it's because i want to like the company and i want to like the product, plain and simple.
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Yes, but unti lit's ready to ship, it isn't a product. Pointless to discuss it when you can't buy it or use it. I think Erik's taking the right approach now, keeping his lip zipped until he's got something that can really ship. Wish Red would have done the same, it'd have saved people three and a half years of Scarlet anguish.
 
I understand and agree with you on all points barry, but i still maintain that it is the wrong approach to have more info(as far as i can tell) on forums than on the company's website.
 
imdjay said:
I understand and agree with you on all points barry, but i still maintain that it is the wrong approach to have more info(as far as i can tell) on forums than on the company's website.
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That's because this discussion began before Birger changed their policies. I would expect nothing to show up on the Birger site until the product is done and ready to ship in two weeks, as Erik has now said. While I cannot speak for what he has said, it is my impression that anything said here was to aid in shifting to the new method of communications and promises with all the people they had been speaking with previously.
 
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I understand and agree with you on all points barry, but i still maintain that it is the wrong approach to have more info(as far as i can tell) on forums than on the company's website.
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Well, that would sum up a whole lot of companies, wouldn't it? Certainly Red has much more info on reduser than they do on their website, etc.

Yes, ideally, companies should gather all relevant information and post it all in one place, preferably on their own website.

Regardless, the approach to take with Birger is probably the same as the approach to take with Red -- just don't bother reading anything about it until the "now shipping" announcement arrives.
 
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That's because this discussion began before Birger changed their policies. I would expect nothing to show up on the Birger site until the product is done and ready to ship in two weeks, as Erik has now said. While I cannot speak for what he has said, it is my impression that anything said here was to aid in shifting to the new method of communications and promises with all the people they had been speaking with previously.
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Agreed. Birger has taken steps to manage the flow of information. They have told us to not expect further updates until it's ready. Frankly I think it's the ideal approach. I wish companies wouldn't go announcing products six months or nine months out, where the final shipping product may not even have much similarity with what was originally announced. I wish companies would get back to shipping products, rather than announcing products. That's the approach Red has finally learned to adopt, and that's the approach Birger is now taking, and that's the lessons that panasonic and sony and canon learned years and years ago.
 
Roger that. good to hear they have taken steps toward something more speculation-proof, and yea, it would be nice if future products had little to no 'announcement' stages. just makes too many people hold off and keep waiting and waiting instead of buying what's available at the moment and getting good use out of it. In my world of preference, a 1-2 month notification of an upcoming product launch would be preferred, and the reasoning behind that? makes damn sure well i'm past the return policy of whatever solution i already bought, so i can't get tempted to return it ;)
 
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Agreed. Birger has taken steps to manage the flow of information. They have told us to not expect further updates until it's ready. Frankly I think it's the ideal approach. I wish companies wouldn't go announcing products six months or nine months out, where the final shipping product may not even have much similarity with what was originally announced. I wish companies would get back to shipping products, rather than announcing products. That's the approach Red has finally learned to adopt, and tat's the approach Birger is now taking, and that's the lessons that panasonicand sony and canon learned years and years ago.
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I disagree with this just a bit. I agree that both RED and Birger would have been wiser to say nothing vs over promising and under delivering but only because they are either too small or or otherwise unable to deliver what they said they would. But in general I like it when companies share their plans with their customers. We all know Canon is up to something and it drives me crazy that they wont share their plans with us. Didn't both Sony and Panasonic announce their cameras a year prior to releasing them?
 
The "big boys" never announce updates to existing products, they always spring them on the market fully-formed. But when it's a brand-new model that's unlike anything else that they have, then they will announce those early. But that's mainly aimed at the major broadcasters who have budgets to allocate and who need to know what's coming. AF100 was announced in April, delivered in December. FS100 had, I think, a lot shorter announcement-to-deliver cycle. I think it was mainly announced in, what, November? Don't really remember, but it delivered in June? Something like six months. And Canon has historically not had any manner of long-term pre-announcement (but then again, Canon has typically not sold to broadcasters; that's starting to change, so maybe their announcement strategy will evolve accordingly?) They have historically announced their new products only about a month before shipping, as I recall.
 
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