FS7: Beyond FM 3.0. What to add, what bugs should be fixed?

Ben Scott said:
I don't think Sony could ever be described as cutting edge.
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FS5 Vari ND and Clear Zoom are pretty cutting edge, as is the price for the FS7 with the CineEI for $8K IMHO. I would also say the EXcam line in general was very much Cutting Edge, and what about the incredible low light capability of the A7s?

I would say Sony is the industry leader in lowering the price of high end features in very low cost gear, that really works.

Not that long ago a SD broadcast quality cam was $100K+, Umatics and Beta SPs, and lenses were $30K+ as well. Then Sony came out with the UVW100 for $17K including lens. OK maybe I have been around too long...
 
Oh I think the price for the FS7 is great, and for all my moaning it is a great little camera, but not sure selling a camera that's great but a bit rough around the edges constitutes being cutting edge does it?

Sony have their plusses and minuses but plenty of people pushing the envelope far more than them in my opinion.

'Clear Zoom' has been around in various guises for ages. How long between the release of the Red One and Sony's first 4k camera?

Where are they in terms of their colour science?

Granted, they are making great sensors for stills at the moment and the ND thing is certainly feather in their cap but at the same time they still don't have a cine shooting mode with variable white balance, although whether that is a function of the sensor or the colour science I don't know....
 
Ben Scott said:
'Clear Zoom' has been around in various guises for ages. How long between the release of the Red One and Sony's first 4k camera?
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First credits with Panavision Genesis (made with Sony usable area 12.4MP sensor) were 2006 studio releases - camera first available either late 2004 or early 2005. Original Red One not released until August 2007, with only a 10.3MP usable area of sensor. Sony F35 was out in either 2008 or 2009, same sensor as Genesis.

Genesis/F35 sensor has more photosites than the PXW-FS7. So, really depends on what you call 4k, and depending on how you look at it - Sony beat Red there.
 
Viddovation said:
First credits with Panavision Genesis (made with Sony usable area 12.4MP sensor) were 2006 studio releases - camera first available either late 2004 or early 2005. Original Red One not released until August 2007, with only a 10.3MP usable area of sensor. Sony F35 was out in either 2008 or 2009, same sensor as Genesis.

Genesis/F35 sensor has more photosites than the PXW-FS7. So, really depends on what you call 4k, and depending on how you look at it - Sony beat Red there.
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Well I don't wouldn't call the Panavision Genesis a Sony Camera and more than a cake I made using a particular brand of sugar a Tate and Lyle gateaux, and pixel binning down to a 1080p output isn't what I would call 4k either.

Are we now calling a 5D mk2 a 5k video camera?

Anyways, this is going off-topic...
 
Ben Scott said:
Well I don't wouldn't call the Panavision Genesis a ...
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I was the 2nd Unit DP on a 8 day shoot with the Genisis. Planned on both units using the camera,
but 1st Unit nearly ate up all the date storage in Hollywood, so we switched to another system. Due to the data woes the project came close to ending in a huge lawsuit.

Panavision used to refer to the Genisis as "The Science Experiment".

EDIT: The camera was Dalsa's Origin, not the Genisis, & we used just after Panavision pulled out of the project.
 
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Ben Scott said:
Well I don't wouldn't call the Panavision Genesis a Sony Camera and more than a cake I made using a particular brand of sugar a Tate and Lyle gateaux, and pixel binning down to a 1080p output isn't what I would call 4k either.

Are we now calling a 5D mk2 a 5k video camera?

Anyways, this is going off-topic...
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Point being, Sony was at the cutting edge of 4k. They just branded it differently at the time. In 2004 people still considered 4k to mean what it meant for a 4k film scan: 4096 lines of red, 4096 lines of green, 4096 lines of blue. The definition changed. So, in regards to whether Sony can be cutting edge - that's where this was on topic.
 
Worked late & obviously a bit confused this morning. Over coffee I realized the camera wasn't the Genisis, rather Dalsa's Origin. The job happened shortly after Panavision pulled out of the project, & began referring to it as "The Science Project".

AKAIK the Origin was the first commercially available 4K camera. And a complete flop.
 
Love the upgrade but now I get magenta in preset. Didn't have that issue before.
I know that's been a complaint from day one by some and now I feel their pain.
Makes my life as a run and gunner more difficult.
 
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