Best Way To Start
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Not really sure what your question is, but it sounds like you need a go-between from your school's edit suites to ... your home computer?
For frequent transfer of data files, I generally prefer a hard disk to writable optical media (as fast as they may get these days).
Not really sure what your question is, but it sounds like you need a go-between from your school's edit suites to ... your home computer?
For frequent transfer of data files, I generally prefer a hard disk to writable optical media (as fast as they may get these days).
Woodson
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The thing is I can't save my stuff on the school computers, for one I don't trust it, and for second other people use it.
Also, I won't be using my computer because I have a PC and I'm editing it on FC.
So if I have my capturing done into a external hardrive, I can always have it there.
The thing is I can't save my stuff on the school computers, for one I don't trust it, and for second other people use it.
Also, I won't be using my computer because I have a PC and I'm editing it on FC.
So if I have my capturing done into a external hardrive, I can always have it there.
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[quote author=Woodson link=board=FCP;num=1092808959;start=0#2 date=08/18/04 at 00:01:56]The thing is I can't save my stuff on the school computers, for one I don't trust it, and for second other people use it.
Also, I won't be using my computer because I have a PC and I'm editing it on FC.
So if I have my capturing done into a external hardrive, I can always have it there.
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Yes, having an external drive would be good for you, then. Wait ... what was your question, then? Sounds like you know what you need. 8)
[quote author=Woodson link=board=FCP;num=1092808959;start=0#2 date=08/18/04 at 00:01:56]The thing is I can't save my stuff on the school computers, for one I don't trust it, and for second other people use it.
Also, I won't be using my computer because I have a PC and I'm editing it on FC.
So if I have my capturing done into a external hardrive, I can always have it there.
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Yes, having an external drive would be good for you, then. Wait ... what was your question, then? Sounds like you know what you need. 8)
Woodson
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[quote author=Pais link=board=FCP;num=1092808959;start=0#3 date=08/18/04 at 12:06:46]
Yes, having an external drive would be good for you, then. Wait ... what was your question, then? Sounds like you know what you need. 8)[/quote]
hahahha.. true... this was late , so I had no clue what I was talking about.
I guess I wanted to find out about external hard drives, I'm looking at Lacie 250GB, saying that it stores about 20 mins of video. Now what does that mean, when it's edited?. My short will be around 12-16mins. What I'm trying to say is I have about hmmm.. 5-7hours of footage, Can I put that all in the external hardrive?
[quote author=Pais link=board=FCP;num=1092808959;start=0#3 date=08/18/04 at 12:06:46]
Yes, having an external drive would be good for you, then. Wait ... what was your question, then? Sounds like you know what you need. 8)[/quote]
hahahha.. true... this was late , so I had no clue what I was talking about.
I guess I wanted to find out about external hard drives, I'm looking at Lacie 250GB, saying that it stores about 20 mins of video. Now what does that mean, when it's edited?. My short will be around 12-16mins. What I'm trying to say is I have about hmmm.. 5-7hours of footage, Can I put that all in the external hardrive?
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The LaCie 250 GB will hold way, way more than 20 minutes of DV video.
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=FCP;action=display;num=1092477905
The LaCie 250 GB will hold way, way more than 20 minutes of DV video.
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=FCP;action=display;num=1092477905
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silverfish
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As a rule of thumb, 1hr of Captured footage = 12gigs
-silverfish
As a rule of thumb, 1hr of Captured footage = 12gigs
-silverfish
Woodson
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I'm not exactly clear on this but I was told that...
To look into a drive that is powered via the FireWire cable to cut down on the hassle of setting it up. I believe wiebetech.com has some well rated ones.
And...
almost all external firewire drives have a separate cord for power that you need to find a power plug for. It is more expensive, but you can find drives that only need the firewire cable in order to work (you are using macs so you don't have to worry about 4pin vs 6pin cables). It just cuts down on the number of cables you have to deal with, but may not be worth the money.
Any opinions about this?
I'm not exactly clear on this but I was told that...
To look into a drive that is powered via the FireWire cable to cut down on the hassle of setting it up. I believe wiebetech.com has some well rated ones.
And...
almost all external firewire drives have a separate cord for power that you need to find a power plug for. It is more expensive, but you can find drives that only need the firewire cable in order to work (you are using macs so you don't have to worry about 4pin vs 6pin cables). It just cuts down on the number of cables you have to deal with, but may not be worth the money.
Any opinions about this?
Scottdvx100
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I think firewire hard drives are still limited to 80G in size and usually the small PowerBook drive sizes as well. Great for moving files between machines, probably not so great if you're going to be editing with a lot of footage. These are also more expensive per GB. You have to plug in your computer (unless it's a lap top) and your other cables anyway.
I think firewire hard drives are still limited to 80G in size and usually the small PowerBook drive sizes as well. Great for moving files between machines, probably not so great if you're going to be editing with a lot of footage. These are also more expensive per GB. You have to plug in your computer (unless it's a lap top) and your other cables anyway.
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I'm not really sure what this is all about? Firewire drives are VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can purchase a ADS for about $100 from either Comp USA or Fry's. It has the Oxford 911 chip. You can now place a 7200 IDE HD in it of almost any size. I use seven different HD's for storage and transfer ranging in size from an 80gb to 200gb.
I can dump footage onto the Firewire drive and then transfer the footage back and forth between my G4 & G5 until the cows come home. I even do large projects directly from the unit into my G5 without a glitch.
So why are we talking about using CD's? Am I missing something here? Just a few years ago, I was paying over $2000 for just 18 gb drives.
I'm not really sure what this is all about? Firewire drives are VERY CHEAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can purchase a ADS for about $100 from either Comp USA or Fry's. It has the Oxford 911 chip. You can now place a 7200 IDE HD in it of almost any size. I use seven different HD's for storage and transfer ranging in size from an 80gb to 200gb.
I can dump footage onto the Firewire drive and then transfer the footage back and forth between my G4 & G5 until the cows come home. I even do large projects directly from the unit into my G5 without a glitch.
So why are we talking about using CD's? Am I missing something here? Just a few years ago, I was paying over $2000 for just 18 gb drives.
Woodson
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okay, the thing is I will be editing at school, and I don't want to leave the captured video on there because other students use it, so I don't want them to mess around with it or delete it. So I need to save them into something, which would be the lacie, but I'm not getting that right away, so I was wondering how can I have it saved on something else. I thought a cd-r can do but I guess not.
okay, the thing is I will be editing at school, and I don't want to leave the captured video on there because other students use it, so I don't want them to mess around with it or delete it. So I need to save them into something, which would be the lacie, but I'm not getting that right away, so I was wondering how can I have it saved on something else. I thought a cd-r can do but I guess not.
Sol M.
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Most Firewire HDs that can be powered by the FW bus are small, notebook HDs in small enclosures. These are primarily meant for working with a laptop (as they don't need an external power source). Being laptop HDs, many of these externals are slower (most are only 5400rpm). A normal external enclosure can hold a normal 3.5" HD. The fact that you need to plug it into a wall outlet is of little consequence. It's just one more thing to plug in.
I would highly recommend doing what ericcosh suggested over getting a Lacie. IMHO, Lacies are enormously overpriced as they provide exactly what any other HD enclosure would. Google external enclosures, and you'll find a massive amount of sites that sell HD enclosures with either FW (look for the Oxford 911 or 912 controller) or USB2 interfaces (or both) for $50 or less. Then buy a bare HD from your choice of electronics superstore. They're always having sales on HDs. What you'll end up with is exactly the same thing as what a Lacie drive would provide at a far lower cost.
As far as choosing an HD, here's something I just posted on the subject over in the Vegas forum:
"When choosing a media drive, keep in mind that 1 hour of DV25 footage takes up ~12GB of space. How much space you will need will depend on the amount of raw footage you have as well as how much rendering you'll have to do (3D, compositing, etc.), as each new rendered sequence is a unique video file and will take up as much space as any other DV25 clip (that is, if you render to DV. Uncompressed rendering will yield better quality over multiple generations, but will take up far more storage space).
Taking this into account, a formatted 250GB drive could concieveably hold ~20 hours of DV25 footage (give or take)."
Oh, and if you need another opinion on the CD-R option, I'd say forget about it. It would be far more trouble than it's worth (as a 700mb CD would hold less than 5 min of DV footage).
Happy editing!
Most Firewire HDs that can be powered by the FW bus are small, notebook HDs in small enclosures. These are primarily meant for working with a laptop (as they don't need an external power source). Being laptop HDs, many of these externals are slower (most are only 5400rpm). A normal external enclosure can hold a normal 3.5" HD. The fact that you need to plug it into a wall outlet is of little consequence. It's just one more thing to plug in.
I would highly recommend doing what ericcosh suggested over getting a Lacie. IMHO, Lacies are enormously overpriced as they provide exactly what any other HD enclosure would. Google external enclosures, and you'll find a massive amount of sites that sell HD enclosures with either FW (look for the Oxford 911 or 912 controller) or USB2 interfaces (or both) for $50 or less. Then buy a bare HD from your choice of electronics superstore. They're always having sales on HDs. What you'll end up with is exactly the same thing as what a Lacie drive would provide at a far lower cost.
As far as choosing an HD, here's something I just posted on the subject over in the Vegas forum:
"When choosing a media drive, keep in mind that 1 hour of DV25 footage takes up ~12GB of space. How much space you will need will depend on the amount of raw footage you have as well as how much rendering you'll have to do (3D, compositing, etc.), as each new rendered sequence is a unique video file and will take up as much space as any other DV25 clip (that is, if you render to DV. Uncompressed rendering will yield better quality over multiple generations, but will take up far more storage space).
Taking this into account, a formatted 250GB drive could concieveably hold ~20 hours of DV25 footage (give or take)."
Oh, and if you need another opinion on the CD-R option, I'd say forget about it. It would be far more trouble than it's worth (as a 700mb CD would hold less than 5 min of DV footage).
Happy editing!
Woodson
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are HD's = Hard drives?
I'm still a bit confused .. so I buy the external enclosure like from this site.... http://www.meritline.com/firusben.html
and then I buy a hard drive? Is this hard drive going to be external? or just a regular one? do I connect the enclosure to the hard drive? How wil I do this when doing capturing and editing on schools G4 or G5 computer?
sorry for this guys.. but I'm clueless.
thanks you for understanding
are HD's = Hard drives?
I'm still a bit confused .. so I buy the external enclosure like from this site.... http://www.meritline.com/firusben.html
and then I buy a hard drive? Is this hard drive going to be external? or just a regular one? do I connect the enclosure to the hard drive? How wil I do this when doing capturing and editing on schools G4 or G5 computer?
sorry for this guys.. but I'm clueless.
thanks you for understanding
Michael Summers
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ichi the killer!
ichi the killer!
Sol M.
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An External enclosure such as those you linked to is basically that-- an enclosure for your Hard drive (HD).
You would buy an enclosure and a bare HD. The bare HD would be like any other that you would buy to install in a computer case.
The HD is placed in the enclosure. The enclosure has a "controller" that converts the HD's IDE or SATA interface to a USB and/or firewire interface.
To use, you basically plug in the enclosure to a power outlet which powers on the drive, and connect a firewire or USB cable into the enclosure on one end and plug the other end into the computer. If done properly, the drive will appear as an external drive on the Mac's desktop.
Keep in mind that external drives, just like those installed in the computer case, need to be properly formatted for the operating system to recognize it. Macs are HFS or HFS+, while PCs could be FAT, FAT32, or NTFS. What this means is that while your drive does not need to be installed into a computer to be used, and is thus "portable" in a sense, you cannot use the drive on both Macs and PCs. You can use either a Mac or a PC to format the drive for their respective file systems.
Finally, a little tip for using external HDs with FCP. Whenever you begin a capture session, make sure to change the capture scratch to a location on your HD. This way, the video files will be captured directly to your external HD, and you won't have to take time to copy all the captured files from the computer's disk to your external HD. Just make sure you change it back when you're done capturing for the next user.
An External enclosure such as those you linked to is basically that-- an enclosure for your Hard drive (HD
).You would buy an enclosure and a bare HD. The bare HD would be like any other that you would buy to install in a computer case.
The HD is placed in the enclosure. The enclosure has a "controller" that converts the HD's IDE or SATA interface to a USB and/or firewire interface.
To use, you basically plug in the enclosure to a power outlet which powers on the drive, and connect a firewire or USB cable into the enclosure on one end and plug the other end into the computer. If done properly, the drive will appear as an external drive on the Mac's desktop.
Keep in mind that external drives, just like those installed in the computer case, need to be properly formatted for the operating system to recognize it. Macs are HFS or HFS+, while PCs could be FAT, FAT32, or NTFS. What this means is that while your drive does not need to be installed into a computer to be used, and is thus "portable" in a sense, you cannot use the drive on both Macs and PCs. You can use either a Mac or a PC to format the drive for their respective file systems.
Finally, a little tip for using external HDs with FCP. Whenever you begin a capture session, make sure to change the capture scratch to a location on your HD. This way, the video files will be captured directly to your external HD, and you won't have to take time to copy all the captured files from the computer's disk to your external HD. Just make sure you change it back when you're done capturing for the next user.