Best Way To Import 7D Footage ".mov" Files?

I thought the look was nice. I have no idea where you were going with the color so I can't say. What were you trying to do?
 
just trying to achieve the film look, in multiple aspecs....i like the look of that film with mel gibson called payback, it had almost the same feel i was going for...

most of the video tests i am doing, the walls have lots of pixelized noise, how do i prevent this and what not? if its light i had 700 watts of light, so just wondering for like placement and such..
 
Firstly, props to Perrone for his helpful explanations in this and many other threads regarding transcoding for editing; you've been a great help. Secondly, why do DNxHd encoded mov files work on my PC while DNxHD encoded avi files play only audio? I ask because playback is a bit choppy in Premiere; in AE it's fine. Perhaps an avi might play more smoothly in Premiere.
 
i also having a similar problem, since installing the cineform product, as a trial, i can convert the RAW .mov files from the 7d, and it installed a cineform .mov, and .avi codecs for premiere..


however to ecode a premiere cs4 project of 10 seconds takes 30 minutes when encoding to cineform .mov, why is this? it only takes all others about 2 minutes?

also when the file is done encoding the cineform codec .mov or .avi file i cannot find it everytime its gone and i search and its none existant....??
 
Jordan_Sopinsky said:
Firstly, props to Perrone for his helpful explanations in this and many other threads regarding transcoding for editing; you've been a great help. Secondly, why do DNxHd encoded mov files work on my PC while DNxHD encoded avi files play only audio? I ask because playback is a bit choppy in Premiere; in AE it's fine. Perhaps an avi might play more smoothly in Premiere.
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Because DNxHD is a quicktime codec. AVI is a container for Video for Windows. However the Audio in DNxHD is able to be decoded by Video for Windows thus you hear it, but don't see it.

Yes, AVIs would work much smoother in Premiere (and in Vegas) which is why my first choice is to recommend Cineform, or another AVI based codec.

I recommend DNxHD if:

1. You have to share files back and forth with a Mac

2. You cannot afford Cineform

3. You prefer working in a 10-bit codec (Cineform pulls this off in AVI but is the only codec in that container I know which can do that)

4. You need to collaborate with someone on Avid


The problem on the PC is that other than Cineform, there just aren't any good AVI codecs that play well in the timeline. You can use HuffYUV or Lagarith, and I do, but they are huge and very slow. You can buy Motion Jpeg from Morgan Multimedia, and I have. It's a TERRIFIC archiving scheme, but Vegas has trouble decoding it. You can use the MXF container but the choices are quite limited in it, and generally geared solely toward broadcast. Also, at least in Vegas, they are all Mpeg2 based and quite lossy. Plus they are 8-Bit.

All the hot codecs are in the .MOV container. So I just suffer through the poor timeline performance and reap the rewards of better quality. I would use Cineform, but can't afford it at work. SInce I have to deal with both HD, and 2k/4k workflows occasionally, I'd have to have the $500 one, and that's just not going to happen for a codec. Not unless I buy it out of pocket. And before I'd do that, I'd work with DPX or EXR.
 
PerroneFord said:
Because DNxHD is a quicktime codec. AVI is a container for Video for Windows. However the Audio in DNxHD is able to be decoded by Video for Windows thus you hear it, but don't see it.

Yes, AVIs would work much smoother in Premiere (and in Vegas) which is why my first choice is to recommend Cineform, or another AVI based codec...
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Then it's certainly odd that DNxHD in an AVI is a choice in MPEG Streamclip. It even provides a preview and gives frame playback during encoding. In any case, if a DNxHD-encoded MOV is my best free choice (for quality, not timeline performance, as you say), I'll stick with it.
 
why after i decode with dnxhd, then go to premiere the avid codec is no longer available to export in premiere pro cs4?

also when i export as cineform weather that is avi or mov from premiere and media encoder it takes forever and then the file is nowhere to be found?

if i search the file it will show up as a shortcut and i cant play it, or anything...
 
Jordan_Sopinsky said:
Then it's certainly odd that DNxHD in an AVI is a choice in MPEG Streamclip. It even provides a preview and gives frame playback during encoding. In any case, if a DNxHD-encoded MOV is my best free choice (for quality, not timeline performance, as you say), I'll stick with it.
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Not odd at all. Mpeg Streamclip makes no provision to save you from yourself. It presents every one of the Apple Quicktime codecs and lets you put them in either an AVI or MOV container without regard for whether it will work. It's up to the USER to decide what will work.

This is freeware, but it is NOT well featured, and it is a port over from the Mac. I've said it a dozen times, Mpeg Streamclip works GREAT if you are creating MOV files, but it is crap for creating AVIs. I always recommend something else for that.

Oh, and as far as DNxHD being "best". It's not best. It's very good. Best would be uncompressed, 10bit. Followed by lossless compression at 10bit. Then followed by DNxHD/ProResHQ.
 
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OMG!

I need to find out who recommended the PRISM converter. Finally tried it today. People this is IT! For AVI creation on the PC, this is IT. I am still testing a few things, but this may well be the silver bullet I've been missing!
 
good to hear....

whats the best way to prevent the weirdness and shadows on walls like my video above?

and what is the best way to export for dvd? i exported a mpeg 2 for dvd at 10 bit but it doesnt look that good...

also cineform neoscene doesnt load, it just loads the hdlink and thats it, the codecs inside of premiere cs4 that it installed dont work either...

any thoughts?
 
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like sometimes i just cant preview it anymore, sometimes the playback is slow and the the picture will stop moving in the preview window, but the time slider is still playing...
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What is interesting is that I have the exact same problem in Cineform Firstlight. The clip or clips will only play about 3 minutes. At first they are fine, then they slow down and finally stop after about 3-3 1/2 minutes with the time counter still going.
 
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I just edit the clips natively. A lot faster and takes less space than transcoding. No quality loss either.. An overclocked core i7 to 3,5 ghz is doing it nicely. I'd rather put money down to hardware than software in this case.
 
PerroneFord said:
OMG!

I need to find out who recommended the PRISM converter. Finally tried it today. People this is IT! For AVI creation on the PC, this is IT. I am still testing a few things, but this may well be the silver bullet I've been missing!
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Which compressor do you recommend? I gave the demo a spin using mpeg 4 native. The mov-wrapped DNxHD clip from MPEG Streamclip is better.

There are very few controls in this software. Why do you like it? (Do you?)
 
Jordan_Sopinsky said:
Which compressor do you recommend? I gave the demo a spin using mpeg 4 native. The mov-wrapped DNxHD clip from MPEG Streamclip is better.

There are very few controls in this software. Why do you like it? (Do you?)
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Jordan,

Please re-read what I said. I am liking Prism VERY much for creating .AVI files (using VfW based codecs).

If you want to create MOV files, use Mpeg Streamclip. That's what it was designed for. But Mpeg Streamclip cannot access VfW codecs so it's useless for that purpose.

The two of these together... perfect combination.
 
There was no misunderstanding, Perrone. I created an avi using Prism and compared it to the mov I had created in Mpeg Streamclip. Although I'm on a PC, the mov file plays smoother in Premiere.
 
Jordan_Sopinsky said:
There was no misunderstanding, Perrone. I created an avi using Prism and compared it to the mov I had created in Mpeg Streamclip. Although I'm on a PC, the mov file plays smoother in Premiere.
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Telling me you made an AVI and it's slow, is like telling me you bought a car and it's slower than a truck.

What kind of AVI did you make? There are likely over 100 codecs that can fit into an AVI container. And what kind of MOV are you comparing it to? MJpeg? DNxHD? Uncompressed?
 
I guess this thread is running long...I had mentioned that in Mpeg Streamclip, I had created a DNxHD mov and in Prism, I used mpeg 4 (native) to create the avi.

I was searching vfw after you mentioned it. Would you mind explaining how one gets it to work with Prism?
 
Jordan_Sopinsky said:
I guess this thread is running long...I had mentioned that in Mpeg Streamclip, I had created a DNxHD mov and in Prism, I used mpeg 4 (native) to create the avi.

I was searching vfw after you mentioned it. Would you mind explaining how one gets it to work with Prism?
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Ok,

Sorry, I am just trying to keep this all from running together.

Ok look, the AVI container is VERY old. It's been around on PCs since the 90s. It has numerous issues, and really should have been removed and replaced by now. But it hasn't. Quicktime, is a lot more modern container and there are a lot more modern codecs to go in it. The MXF container was supposed to make it easier to move things from application to application, and to have more modern codecs available. That has not proven out in a lot of cases.

So, when dealing with what we've got here, PC NLEs typically want codecs inside their native AVI container. Some of them work just fine with codecs inside an MXF container (Avid and Vegas being two good examples).

There are some codecs that only exist in the MOV/Quicktime container like ProRes. There are some that exist in the MOV/MXF containers like DNxHD. But I am not aware of any that can exist in all three MOV/AVI/MXF.

When you place a codec in a container that is not built to hold it, many applications cannot decode it. Placing DNxHD into an AVI container means that applications have no idea what to do with it. But applications like Mpeg Streamclip will let you make that file anyway.

There are some unique container/codec combinations that can (or should) only exist together. Windows Media Video is both a codec and a container. They are a matched pair. Though Mpeg4 can be placed in a couple of different containers, placing it in a MP4 is what it's designed for. Placing it in an AVI makes no sense at all, and forces applications to make calls to external programs to decode for them. This is what happens on PCs using .MOV containers on the timeline. They must call Quicktime to do the decode for them.

Codecs like HuffYUV, Lagarith, etc., are built to go into an AVI container and only those containers. But they require a decoder that gets installed. Mpeg Streamclip cannot access the encoding portion of these codecs so they do not show up when using that program. However, when you open Prism, these codecs DO show up as available. As do numerous other good options if you've installed them (MSU, Morgan Multimedia)

So to summarize, try to understand the correct container for the codecs you are using if you want decent timeline performance. Put mpeg4 in an mpeg4 container. Put DNxHD in a .MOV container, put AVI based codecs in an AVI container. Doing otherwise will make things slower than they should be.
 
when i was trying out cineform neoscene it wouldnt recognize my .mov files right from the 7d....i want to do all my editing in uncompressed .avi -10 bit how do i go about this or closest possible..?
 
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