best way to 16x9

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some say that if it's not gonna be transfered to film do not use the anamorphic adaptor

some others say that the built in 16x9 is better

some use photozoom pro to stich images

some use a wide angle lens and then letter box it in post.

so I would like to know what's the best method for each output, either to be transfered to film, music videos, TV and web


thanx
 
Re: best way to 16x9

If output will be to 4:3 the simplest and fastest way to 16:9 is using the in-camera letterbox.

If output will be to a widescreen 16:9 television you can use the Ananmorphic Adaptor or the in-camera Squeeze mode (using the DVX(a) )

The 'Ana Ada' is the highest quality way in using the full CCD while Squeeze uses 75% of the potential resolution but is 'Free' compared to the $800.00 Ana Adapter.

Incidentally, if output will be to DVD, then most players will 'tell' the t.v. what format to show the image what to do whether or not on 4:3 or a widescreen television.
 
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You ask a simple question that doesn't have simple answers.

To simplify things, the first thing to ask is: what will your footage be displayed on? If it's going to be displayed on a 4:3 TV, why bother shooting in 16x9 at all? Just throw it in "letterbox" mode and be done with it.

If you're displaying on a 16x9 TV, that's where 16x9 mode comes into play. And then you have to determine what your priorities are: ultimate resolution? Ease of shooting? Squeeze/24p/thin provides a great image, and is very easy to shoot, but using the anamorphic adapter could give you much higher resolution.

If you want the ultimate resolution, the anamorphic adapter delivers it. But there are a lot of compromises involved in using it.

For something that's destined for film transfer, proper use of the anamorphic adapter is the way to go. The additional resolution the adapter provides becomes more visible the larger the screen you view it on. On a 13" or 19" TV, you may not even see the difference between squeeze and anamorphic. On a 60" TV the difference is readily apparent, and on a 20' movie screen it's very easy to see the difference, and appreciate the additional resolution of the anamorphic.
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=0#2 date=01/01/05 at 13:24:11]
If you want the ultimate resolution, the anamorphic adapter delivers it.  But there are a lot of compromises involved in using it.

[/quote]
thanx to everybody
Barry:
could you be a lil' more specific on the compromises involved?

so I guess for music vids,standard tv= built in 16x9
large screen projection, widescreen tv= ana ada

but now I'm puzzled with the compromises associated with the Ana ada (much shorter name, thank God!)

thanx guys
 
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The compromises are:
1) you can't shoot freely at every combination of aperture and zoom and focus distance, you must balance these together. So you will not be able to shoot fully-zoomed-in, wide-open-aperture, at close distance (for example).

2) You have limited access to filters, and very limited access to matteboxes

3) Autofocus won't deliver accurate results, you may have to adjust focus based on the distance to subject, zoom setting and aperture.

Basically, the anamorphic involves many compromises in shooting, but the one compromise it doesn't make is in resolution. Squeeze involves no compromises when shooting, but the one compromise it makes is in resolution. If you can get satisfactory results for your purposes from squeeze, it's much easier to just use squeeze. If you need the resolution of the anamorphic, you have to be prepared to adjust your shooting style to extract the best results from it.
 
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Hey Barry, do you think that with all of the different uses of photozoom that there going to update it's program to video zoom, they're should be a way to uprez easier don't think. I mean i can take a photo of something with my 8 megapixel camera and blow it up huge. maybe there's a long and tedious way to use a still camera to up the image?
 
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Apparently it's on the back burner but I don't think they realize the potential of it.
 
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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=0#1 date=01/01/05 at 12:56:57]If output will be to 4:3 the simplest and fastest way to 16:9 is using the in-camera letterbox.

If output will be to a widescreen 16:9 television you can use the Ananmorphic Adaptor or the in-camera Squeeze mode (using the DVX(a) )

The 'Ana Ada' is the highest quality way in using the full CCD while Squeeze uses 75% of the potential resolution but is 'Free' compared to the $800.00 Ana Adapter.

Incidentally, if output will be to DVD, then most players will 'tell' the t.v. what format to show the image what to do whether or not on 4:3 or a widescreen television.[/quote]
What is Ana Ada?
 
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[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=0#6 date=01/01/05 at 14:25:39]The compromises are:
1) you can't shoot freely at every combination of aperture and zoom and focus distance, you must balance these together.  So you will not be able to shoot fully-zoomed-in, wide-open-aperture, at close distance (for example).

2)  You have limited access to filters, and very limited access to matteboxes

3) Autofocus won't deliver accurate results, you may have to adjust focus based on the distance to subject, zoom setting and aperture.

Basically, the anamorphic involves many compromises in shooting, but the one compromise it doesn't make is in resolution.  Squeeze involves no compromises when shooting, but the one compromise it makes is in resolution.  If you can get satisfactory results for your purposes from squeeze, it's much easier to just use squeeze.  If you need the resolution of the anamorphic, you have to be prepared to adjust your shooting style to extract the best results from it.[/quote]
Can you look in the DVX and focus manually without to much trouble? Can't you tell if it is out of focus by just looking through the view finder or on the LCD screen?
 
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[quote author=Zim link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=0#12 date=01/05/05 at 04:45:52]
What is Ana Ada?
[/quote]

Anamorphic Adapter.
 
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[quote author=Zim link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=0#13 date=01/05/05 at 04:50:46]
Can you look in the DVX and focus manually without to much trouble? Can't you tell if it is out of focus by just looking through the view finder or on the LCD screen?
[/quote]

I have had no trouble focussing with the DVX100A because it has edge enhancement technology that shows you what is in focus by exaggerating the sharpness around what is in focus. The regular DVX100 does not have this capability.
 
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[quote author=disjecta link=board=Events;num=1104612406;start=15#15 date=01/05/05 at 10:02:20]

I have had no trouble focussing with the DVX100A because it has edge enhancement technology that shows you what is in focus by exaggerating the sharpness around what is in focus. The regular DVX100 does not have this capability.[/quote]

Sorry I mean when using the DVX100a with a anamorphic adapter
 
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This has been discussed ad infinitum here on the board, but the simple answer is: no, you cannot just look through the monitor and get proper focus. The reason is, the adapter CANNOT focus unless within certain aperture/zoom/distance combinations. So while you can use the monitor to simulate the best focus for any given combination, that doesn't mean the overall shot will actually be in focus! You have to control the aperture and the zoom setting for any given framing and distance to make sure that the lens and camera will be able to resolve the image sharply. Once you have that combination in place, then yes you could just use a monitor to judge whether it's in focus.
 
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I understand the "theory" behind choosing which mode to shoot in, but I'm not 100% clear on why there is the need to shoot in Letterbox.

If Letterbox is just 4:3 with the top and bottom blacked out, why can you not shoot in normal 4:3 and then add the bars in post (I know I can do this in Vegas)? That way you can cater for 4:3 as well as 16:9.

The only reason I can see for not doing that, is from a framing point of view; at least in Letterbox mode you can see what is in shot and what isn't. Is this the reason why you would shoot in Letterbox?

Still learning the ropes and have so many questions! ;D
 
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What about DV Rack and focus chart.
Will that ensure proper focus without measuring?
 
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