Best DSLR for filmmaking ($3,000-$4,000 or under) ?

Ok, if we follow this discussion to its logical conclusion, we will end in a stalemate. There is merit to a larger all-in-one camera that makes production smoother and simpler. Especially on smaller crews, where you really need one box to rule them all.
But the micro budget and bigger productions still like the idea of DSLRs, and they aren't going away. The micro budgets like them for obvious reasons- with a little more work, you can save money and get a picture that looks just as nice. To the big budgets, most of the setbacks of current DSLRs are a non issue- sound is recorded separately anyway, even with larger cameras. The lack of timecode is often an annoyance, however sometimes a particular DP will like it for stylistic reasons and/or because it actually generates a talking point interest in the show ("Hey, did you about that episode of House that was shot on my photography camera??" "Did you see that scene in Iron Man 2 with a 5D?"). All things being equal, the picture quality is there, especially for broadcast television- I personally shot a 15 second interview for a CBS talkshow using a t2i a year ago, and they seemed to like it just fine- so why *wouldn't* they use it? Because something is out there with XLR inputs that they wouldn't use anyway?

I'm not saying there aren't reasons NOT to use them- rolling shutter on moving subjects, timecode for multi-cam sync, etc, but they've proven their worth. Even DPs who have access to an FS100, RED, etc, like to pull out their DSLR for certain scenes. There's something fun and exciting about using them- some people feel it and some don't, I guess.

If you are not a big budget production that would use external sound anyway, and not small enough that it is worth saving money on the micro cameras, then by all means- large chip video cameras can save you significant amounts of time and money in the long run. But that doesn't make DSLRs "dead".

In any event, I'd also like to point out that a lot of the complaints I've seen are with a particular brand of DSLRs, namely Canon (weak and terrible audio, soft picture quality, etc). The GH2, especially with the hack, has shown incredible potential even compared to larger sized cameras like the AF100. Despite having a strange audio jack, the audio noise floor has been reported to be as low as -72dB and although it lacks headphone monitoring, I've recorded a split audio signal to both my GH2 and Tascam recorder with a splitter/attenuation cable, and found the Gh2's audio to be perfectly usable more often than not (still use the Tascam just in case and for monitoring, but sync isn't always necessary). Again, I'm not saying the GH2 is the golden perfect video camera by any means, and there are many situations that I would prefer a larger cam. But I'm getting the feeling that Canon models have given DSLR video an unfairly judged bad rap.
 
My issue for using DSLR for procudtion is not much to do with image quality

Its the extra cost of synching sound in post...

I guess it depends on what you're shooting. I typically DP narrative pieces, and not once has a production requested that I use the on board sound even though my F3 has XLRs (except for a reference track, which DSLR's are also capable of). But if you are shooting more documentary work, I can definitely see where it's useful to have on board sound.
 
@Gileden

Spot on - every tool has its place and DSLRs are legit tools no doubt.

The OP had $3-4K for a new A camera, already owns 2 DSLRs, is that $3-4k best spent on another one.. personally I have my doubts ..

Id be looking to sell the 7d and get an AF100 or an FS100

Thats exactly what I did, I was shooting with a 5d and 7d - I got shot of the 7 and got the FS100 when I had the wedge

Im pretty happy with that combo, but the 5 is really soft - I might lose it for a GH2

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High end camera packages are going for close to nothing nowdays - you can have fully pimped out RED package with lenses, sticks monitors etc for $500. And yet despite this close-to-nothing price tag many producers still chose lower end packages (DSLRs) because they know that it will look good enough. ...And you know what - i agree with them most of the time.
 
This is to the OP. I'm not addressing the side debate of this thread. Since lights aren't a problem then you have a lot of options.
Here's my opinion:

1. Panasonic GH2: For a good, low-cost option I think the GH2 is the best for filmmaking.

Pros: is the clean HDMI. Use this with an ext. recorder, such as the BlackMagic HyperDeck Shuttle. With the camera body and lens at $799, and the HyperDeck $327 you're looking at roughly $1,126 plus however much you spend on a Solid State Drive (if you don't already have one), and an ext. monitor (if you don't already have one). You'll get fantastic color, resolution and have a lot more to work with in post when it comes to grading and the like. Also, with the GH2's lower price and high demand it would probably be easy to sell afterward when you want to upgrade to the BMD Cinema Camera.

Cons: Small sensor. You said you want the low light benefits of a large sensor DSLR, and you don't get that with the GH2 relative to full frame cameras. However, with use of some creative lighting this can be overcome and I'm sure the same or a similar look can be achieved. - Something to note, while the GH2 with ext. recorder isn't RAW, the GH2's sensor is larger than the BMD Cinema Camera's sensor - And, obviously, crop factor with the GH2 can be an issue depending on the shoot.

All in all you'd probably spend less on the GH2 with all the accessories than the Mark III which is $3,484 body only.

The people at EOSHD did a test comparing the Mark III and a hacked GH2. If you use an ext. recorder your footage will look even better than what's seen in the test. If you want to check it out here's the link: http://www.eoshd.com/content/7631/panasonic-gh2-vs-5d-mark-iii
 
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