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i've always wondered that... if the polling data would be made available to the filmmakers. i think a certain transparency is beneficial and useful in a number of ways. and dangerous in only a few.
 
We've been down this path, we've tried it releasing all the data, and we've tried it where we announce only the winners. I'm not sure which way this fest will go, but we've been there and done that previously so if the festmasters decide not to release all the info, it'll be for time-tested reasons.
 
If I recall right, we did that with horror fest and it actually made some people mad.

Didn't turn out to be a good thing but I may be remembering wrong.
 
I can see how it'd be a bad idea, but I also see the pros to releasing the data. What exactly happened when all the data was released Barry? Was there an outburst, did people shy away from the board or was it just not received well in general?

-Kegan

EDIT: Wow, I gotta start typing my posts faster..thanks Kholi and Mike.
 
i'm not advocating that the data be made public, but I would like it to be available to the filmmakers, who rarely get any kind of hard data to weigh against the public praise and somewhat restrained criticism. ten years ago, I worked in market testing for the major studios and I know there is a often a vast disconnect between what audiences say they admire in a film and what they'll actually recommend to their friends via word of mouth.
 
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In the spirit of the term "Fest" it actually seems to turn it into a "contest" instead. That's not exactly what it's about. To apply EVERYONE'S talent to a sliding scale or peer-themed voting stands to say "we don't like your work very much" when/if you see your film placed 50th out of 50 films.

The top three votes states "hey we loved these THE MOST out of the fest, but everyone rocked." When people place very low or some place exceptionally high it's misinterpreted as "not good enough" or "popularity contest".

It's a good idea in theory, just when you apply human reaction and it's unpredictability then it becomes not-so-good. Good thing is that the fest masters have tested and the reactions should be documented in Horror Fest.
 
Kholi said:
If I recall right, we did that with horror fest and it actually made some people mad.

Didn't turn out to be a good thing but I may be remembering wrong.
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And I think I remember the HVX being up for grabs added to that tension, causing folks to become pretty hostile....
 
Agreed, but the prizes this time around aren't very much less. They're just as good and I think the hostility will return just as much if it's released. I still think releasing it to the filmmakers is in a way making it public...I don't see how we can benefit from it as much as everyone thinks. How would it make a filmmaker feel if he or she or their production team didn't get ANY votes, or placed dead last in almost 50 films. Maybe top 5/6 or MAX 10 would be beneficial, but nothing more.

-Kegan
 
if we're going to take hurt feelings into account, there should not be a vote at all. there is certain to be 45 or so disappointed filmmakers. but as in life, there are going to be winners and losers defined on the realities of skill, talent, personality, popularity, marketing and brown-nosing.

but even so, it's always the people who don't come in on top that have the opportunity to learn something from their intended audience, if they are smart and attentive. and these hard numbers (which again, should only be shared with filmmakers requesting it) offer a unique insight into how successful their entry was in inspiring "a vote" -- something that differs greatly from simply drawing praise.
 
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Well, I'm not sure if all 50 places need to be shown but I think at least the top 5. Top 10 would be ideal.

If you don't make the top 10... you know you have some work to do, but you don't need to know exactly how much. :D
 
i was thinking like zach, if maybe I could PM festmaster, and then to see after results of next fest in comparison how I did...make sense?
 
If you don't win you don't win. What's the point of finding out you came in 15th? Or 20th? Should we make this American Idol? Ok the top 24. Now we are down to 12.

Do they announce the 10th place vote getter for the Oscars? The top three and the panel awards should be good enough.
 
Yeah, I'm with you Kegan.... We now live in a time where "everyone is a winner," and everyone on the team gets a trophy.

Its great that we can take time to recognize each other's work; this is a great community. But that's not how the real world works.

Many of us would never be involved in the level of participation we are here at Dvxuser any where else. And the reason we are here is because we love what we do. We shouldn't be making films to get a pat on the back... There are much more cost effective, and less time consuming ways to do that.
 
Michael Anthony Horrigan said:
Well, I'm not sure if all 50 places need to be shown but I think at least the top 5. Top 10 would be ideal.

If you don't make the top 10... you know you have some work to do, but you don't need to know exactly how much. :D
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i don't think any ranking should be shown publicly. that's about satisfying ego for the filmmakers that did well. and will cause problems. i'm talking about giving the filmmakers access to data that could be useful to their development as filmmakers trying to connect with an audience in a meaningful way.

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Many of us would never be involved in the level of participation we are here at Dvxuser any where else. And the reason we are here is because we love what we do. We shouldn't be making films to get a pat on the back... There are much more cost effective, and less time consuming ways to do that.
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again, getting a "pat on the back" isn't why i'm hoping to have access to the numbers. that would be about satisfying one's ego and ego is dangerous. so that's why i'd prefer that NO RANKING BE PUBLICLY POSTED.... just that the entrants have private access to the data if they have a use for it.
 
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i think an innocent question is being blown outta proportion...I meant for data to be privately shown to filmmakers not publically...dang. To those whom want to know...not a mandatory showing of it
 
I get where you're coming from Zak, but isn't that what the individual film threads were for.... everyone's comments are far more valuable to me than a ranking

Dustin, I think we're all just passionate about the topic, I don't think anyone toes have been stepped on yet.. I hope
 
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