Bechdel test for women in film

Jawa Ex Machina said:
They're not remaking it anymore. It's now a prequel about the norwegians.
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But wasn't Howard Hawks' The Thing From Another World sort of the prequel to Carpenter's? They even used a shot of it on the TV to represent the norwegians finding the spaceship. Of course in Hawks verison they weren't Norwegians, but you get the point. The first film was about finding the original ship and then the alien body, which is what I presume they're doing now.
 
No, the prior film was a thoroughly half-assed and lousy adaptation of an original science-fiction novella called "Who Goes There?" by John W. Campbell, Jr.

The Carpenter film is much truer - in concept, anyway - to the original story.

The video the characters watch in the Carpenter film is evocative of the scene in the old movie, but was shot for the newer film.
 
Sad Max said:
No, the prior film was a thoroughly half-assed and lousy adaptation of an original science-fiction novella called "Who Goes There?" by John W. Campbell, Jr.
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Aw, come on, I like the Hawks movie a lot, lousy adaptation or no. Not saying it's better than Carpenter's but I think its a pretty good film on its own terms.
 
I enjoy the Hawkes (or Nyby, depending upon who you ask) film too, but it *is* a pretty disappointing adaptation. Doubtless for technical and budgetary reasons they dropped the key element of the story - the paranoia caused by fighting an enemy who can assume the form of any of your friends - and made it into more of a straight monster movie, complete with James Arness lurching about Frankenstein's Monster-style in rubber carrot-from-outer-space makeup...
 
I really don't find it surprising that a lot of movies fail that Bechdel Test for Women.

Most men and women have very different tastes in movies, and there are many movies that cater exclusively to men or to women, but not both.

I also think that men like movies more than women like movies, which would contribute to there being a lot more male Writers / Directors creating movies for men.



It is kind of funny though that the first and only woman to win an Academy Award for Best Director is known for primarily making action films.
 
Sad Max said:
I enjoy the Hawkes (or Nyby, depending upon who you ask) film too, but it *is* a pretty disappointing adaptation. Doubtless for technical and budgetary reasons they dropped the key element of the story - the paranoia caused by fighting an enemy who can assume the form of any of your friends - and made it into more of a straight monster movie, complete with James Arness lurching about Frankenstein's Monster-style in rubber carrot-from-outer-space makeup...
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I could be wrong about this, but I think it's more likely the reason they made that change is because that was just the type of horror movies that were made at the time. The paranoia of the "monster within" didn't come until the 60's (PSYCHO being probably first there), and the paranoia of the monster being "people around you" didn't come until the 70's (THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE).
 
agcohn said:
I also think that men like movies more than women like movies, which would contribute to there being a lot more male Writers / Directors creating movies for men.
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I don't think this is true, and you'd be surprised at what kinds of movies women like.

When I worked at a multiplex, the first two weeks of any torture porn movie's opening, all the guys would come. Alone or with a buddy.
After about two weeks, when all the guys had seen SAW or HOSTEL or anything like that, the women would come, and they'd come in droves bringing ALL their friends. I bet we sold more tickets to the Hostel movies to women than to men.
 
Jawa Ex Machina said:
I could be wrong about this, but I think it's more likely the reason they made that change is because that was just the type of horror movies that were made at the time. The paranoia of the "monster within" didn't come until the 60's (PSYCHO being probably first there), and the paranoia of the monster being "people around you" didn't come until the 70's (THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE).
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The idea of the hidden monster who looks just like us, sneakily biding its time until it can take us all over and make us itself, sounds like a dandy metaphor for 1950s American anti-communist paranoia, to me...
 
Sad Max said:
The idea of the hidden monster who looks just like us, sneakily biding its time until it can take us all over and make us itself, sounds like a dandy metaphor for 1950s American anti-communist paranoia, to me...
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That's exactly what Invasion of the Body Snatchers was, made in 1956.
 
Jawa Ex Machina said:
Wait, are there a lot of gay serial killer movies around?
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I was kind of half-joking about it, but there have been gay murderers/serial killers in film. All things considered, a lot of movies portraying real-life gay people are about gay serial killers. To name a few:

Monster
Gacy
Dahmer
Dahmer vs. Gacy

And in fiction you have Silence of the Lambs, The Talented Mr. Ripley, etc.
 
I think that the title character in Ed Gein might have been gay, too. Maybe. Although Gein was a real murderer, and not a fictitious character created essentially to smear gay people.
 
Sad Max said:
The idea of the hidden monster who looks just like us, sneakily biding its time until it can take us all over and make us itself, sounds like a dandy metaphor for 1950s American anti-communist paranoia, to me...
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It does, but I think the kind of thinking where monsters could look exactly like people or were people didn't really exist at the time in movie making.
 
Count Orloff in Nosferatu may not have looked very human, but all of his successor cinema vampires do, which gives us human-looking cinema monsters back as far as the 1930s.
 
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...I'm *really* sorry. I'm a new mod, and the 'edit' and 'quote' keys are right next to each other, and I thought that I had fixed your post properly after having accidentally edited rather than replied to it, but...
 
Sad Max said:
uh...

...I'm *really* sorry. I'm a new mod, and the 'edit' and 'quote' keys are right next to each other, and I thought that I had fixed your post properly after having accidentally edited rather than replied to it, but...
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Hehe I was afraid it got deleted because I wrote down a short section from a book. Copyright reasons or whatever :D
 
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