Battlestar Galactica

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I dunno . . .

If Ellen is coming back next week, it sure saps the power out of Tigh "killing" her back on New Caprica.

But it's not the first time they've written some amazing moments and then destroyed them later because whoops, the character in question was . . . a Cylon!
 
Mark Harris said:
That was some Sullenberger shi* right there.
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I am so going to steal this line. :D

I'm probably not qualified to hop into the Galactica discussion considering I don't watch or even like the show, but I remember the sort of disappointment in always returning to the status quo that some of you are describing from the DS9 days, so it seems that Ron Moore and the others in his team who were on DS9 haven't learned anything in the last decade... shame, really...
 
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David Jimerson said:
If Ellen is coming back next week, it sure saps the power out of Tigh "killing" her back on New Caprica.
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I agree. I'd rather see Tigh interact with Ellen in flashbacks like he did at the end of "Sometimes a Great Notion". Since she was killed approx. a quarter of the way into season 3, then wouldn't she already have resurrected a long time ago?

I hope they explain in a logical way why she's been gone so long. So if she can resurrect, then the other final 5 should be able to as well. Wouldn't they have already done so countless times over the past 2,000 years since humanity/cylons left Earth after the nuclear holocaust hinted at recently?


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Jon Starr said:
*Ellen appears*

TIGH
(wide-eyed)
I need a drink.
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I need a FRAKIN' drink.

So now that Ellen is the last of the final five, does anyone else get the feeling that there is some connection between Ellen and Number Six? Like on a genetic level. They've even done the illusory stuff where Tigh saw Ellen in place of Six while interrogating her in season 3. Plus, when they revealed Ellen in season 1 in the episode Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down, I remember the first time I saw that episode getting this weird feeling that there was some connection between Ellen and Six. I haven't watched the episode for awhile, but when Baltar's imaginary Six sees Ellen she makes some comment to Baltar like "you should be watching her".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXYolpWBpwA

Now the point I'm getting at is that if both Saul Tigh and Ellen Tigh were original models of Cylons that predate the current seven, what if the newer ones (Six, Leoben, Cavil, Sharon, etc.) are the children at least on a genetic level? So did Tigh in a sense frak his daughter (Six model)?

I'm basing this theory on the Tigh wading out into the water scene at the end of the recent episode Sometimes a Great Notion, where he has the vision/flashback of Earth being nuked.

Of course, the Baltar/Six and Col. Tigh/Ellen scene in Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down could just have been the writers trying to add more mystery and tension to the episode because as I remember, the episode played with the notion that Ellen's survival and appearance was sorta suspicious. But at the very least, they were even toying with the notion of Ellen being one of the other seven models of Cylons way back in season 1.
 
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Well, I certainly hope tonight they spend a little more time on/concerning Earth. We've been watching them make their way there for four years; would be nice if they'd spend more than ten minutes on it. If they just let it go and never come back, it'll be one of TV's biggest jerk-arounds.
 
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Well, I certainly hope tonight they spend a little more time on/concerning Earth. We've been watching them make their way there for four years; would be nice if they'd spend more than ten minutes on it. If they just let it go and never come back, it'll be one of TV's biggest jerk-arounds.
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I agree. They spent about a year on New Caprica and about 4 episodes worth on the whole Cylon occupation and exodus. You'd think that they would've spent a little more time on Earth.

When Tigh and D'Anna were sitting on the beach on Earth in Sometimes a Great Notion and D'Anna says she would just like to stay on Earth instead of going back out into space, I thought we might be getting an alternate story thread where D'Anna and some other Cylons and humans stay to snoop around and see what they can make of what happened there.

I always liked the season 1 subplot they would cut away to with Helo and Boomer on Caprica while the Cylon army was in hot pursuit. It gave the show some visual variety and breathing room instead of being stuck on the ships all the time. Same thing with the Starbuck and Helo adventures on Caprica for season 2. Season 3 also had some nice variety with the whole New Caprica arc and the stuff with Baltar on the Cylon base ship. Then season 4's first half had Starbuck and gang in the poop-ship looking for Earth.

I was hoping for something similar with an Earth expedition team for this current season. Oh well. The mutiny is over so it looks like they're moving onto the final 5 stuff now.
 
Exposition...exposition...exposition...hey, it's the mac guy!

Terrible episode. I would've expected the writers to handle the reveals more elegantly, but I guess they realized they were running out of time and decided to just start dumping out this stuff on us. At least I hope we're done with all the reveals with the next episode, and get on with the show.

The only mystery I'm curious about is Baltar's head Six, but from the sounds of all this stuff, it'll be as dull as the rest of the reveals, if they go there at all.

What I found the most interesting though, was the scene with Lee and Roslin dealing with the aftermath of the mutiny--mostly the idea of where do they go from there, and the realization that they are now a different people and have to let go of the past to move forward. The possibilities presented were interesting, but it seems that'll be as far as it's explored. And what's up with Roslin wanting to retain her title, while she leaves her weepy, golden boy to make all the decisions? So much for democracy. These people learned nothing from the mutiny!
 
I am on the same page as you guys. They should've titled this episode "No Exit from the Infodump". It felt like I was watching Lost last night instead of Galactica. I had to watch the episode twice just to review everything and try to see if the pieces all fit. And we still don't have any explanations about Starbuck, how Baltar's imaginary Six was possible, or how the All Along the Watchtower song played only for the final 5, where that pesky probe that infected all those Cylons in season 3 came from, etc...


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On one hand I am glad to finally get some answers, but on the other it was all just a convoluted mess. If anyone thought the scene in Matrix Reloaded with Neo getting all the explanations from the Col. Sanders wannabe Architect went too far, well it's now been topped by BSG. I figured that the whole thing would revolve around some sort of time dilation by space travel due to relativity, but they are still implying that everything started on Kobol. Why not just simplify things and have everything start on Earth? For a show that touts its believability and realistic style, it is starting to shift from science fiction to science fantasy. So for 3.5 full seasons we've been told that the Cylons evolved from tin men into real men, but now it is totally different. I liked it better when there was a bit of mystery and it was just explained as the Cylons actually evolving.

And now we've got another unidentified Cylon named Daniel, who was an artist? I thought maybe this would be Baltar, but checking around online people are saying there is a character in the upcoming Caprica series played by Eric Stoltz named Daniel Greystone. He is going to be the scientist that creates the technology for the Cylons on the Twelve Colonies. Speaking of colonies, we've also been told that there is another colony that the final 5 setup prior to reaching the Twelve Colonies. Cavil seems to think that Ellen could take them there to get resurrection technology.

For me the most interesting parts of the episode were learning more about Cavil's personality. The whole supernova temper tantrum was great. I also really dug the scene with Roslin and Lee, and the whole thing with Adama and Tyrol and the ship falling apart subplot was excellent. I'm also rooting for the Chief and this new version of Boomer to get back together.

PC guy being in there jarred me out of my suspension of disbelief, although he did a fine enough acting job.

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I hope that the show gets back on track and delivers like it has done so consistently in the past. The season 4.5 opener and the two mutiny episodes were excellent. I never thought I'd say it, but comparing BSG season 4.5 with Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles, I'd say Terminator could possibly pull ahead and become the superior show of the two depending on what they do with the last batch of episodes of the current season.
 
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The ship the neurosurgeon (they just happen to have a neurosurgeon in the fleet?) was called the Incheon Bay.

Why would a Colonial ship be named after a battle of the Korean War if it all began on Kobol?

There's more to be discovered here.
 
David Jimerson said:
The ship the neurosurgeon (they just happen to have a neurosurgeon in the fleet?) was called the Incheon Bay.

Why would a Colonial ship be named after a battle of the Korean War if it all began on Kobol?
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But more importantly, why on Earth would they cast John Hodgeman in that role?

There's more to be discovered here.
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Not to worry, I'm sure in some future episode, they will have a character sit there and explain it all to us...:)
 
I've been avoiding this thread until I've seen all the episodes -- which I just did in a marathon BSG session this week.

I watched them back to back (as much as I could stand in one sitting), all the while hoping and praying for the destruction of the human race -- not just the one portrayed on the TV show, but the one that created it.
 
Great critique from a screenwriter blogger here:

http://churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/2009/02/bsg-season-4-update.html

I think the writers could have taken a closer look at Lost, which I think will succeed, storywise, where BG appears to have failed.

The Lost writers deal brilliantly with exposition and have been laying pipe all the way through. When we get a revelation, we can almost always see the breadcrumbs stretching way back to the beginning. Pretty important, but pretty impossible if you don't have the slightest clue where the show would end up, which seems to have been the case with the BG writers. Such a shame.
 
Jared Meyer said:
Great critique from a screenwriter blogger here:

http://churchofthemasses.blogspot.com/2009/02/bsg-season-4-update.html
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I agree with pretty much all this blogger had to say about the last episode "No Exit". The intellectual topics that Ellen and Cavil discussed were interesting, but it could've been done in a more interesting and less expositiony way. All this info should've been spread out over more than one episode and done by the characters discovering things, not conveniently remembering them and spewing it all out.

Anybody remember the two-parter "Home" from season 2? There was a great scene where Adama, Roslin, Starbuck, and Apollo use the arrow that Starbuck retrieved from Caprica to open a secret chamber and they are shown a hologram or some sort of simulation of what it would look like to stand on Earth and see the constellations of the Twelve Colonies. Well, that is the kind of thing that should be used to discover all this stuff, or at the very least they could've shown us some visuals of what they were talking about.

Another thing, if there were Earth Cylons that were responsible for the destruction of the Humans/Cylons on Earth, couldn't they still be out there somewhere kinda like the old-school Colonial Cylons that the Galactica encountered in Razor? Remember, they used to always say stuff in earlier seasons about how "this has all happened before, and it will happen again". If you really think about it, couldn't there be all kinds of various Cylons and Humans still out there somewhere?

Now that the infodump is over, I hope that they get back on track with the characters and the search for a habitable planet, no doubt with some good action and battle scenes once Cavil and his Cylon cronies find the fleet.
 
I actually don't agree with much of what that blogger wrote. The problem for me isn't what was said last night, just how it was said, all at once in a jizz-splosion of exposition. I'll reserve judgement on whether or not all these new revelations really work until then end, when I can see the full design of it. I felt they just jammed too much into one episode. If we only had to contend with Ellen and Cavil, counterpointed with some intriguing action, it would have worked. But alternating between them and the jabbering Anders was too much.
 
Batutta said:
I actually don't agree with much of what that blogger wrote. The problem for me isn't what was said last night, just how it was said, all at once in a jizz-splosion of exposition. I'll reserve judgement on whether or not all these new revelations really work until then end, when I can see the full design of it. I felt they just jammed too much into one episode. If we only had to contend with Ellen and Cavil, counterpointed with some intriguing action, it would have worked. But alternating between them and the jabbering Anders was too much.
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Well, one thing is they prob blew so much budget on the last two eps, they HAD to do something talky in this one. Ron Moore said a long time ago in a podcast that they often had to flip flop between action/people episodes, because the merest action, or EFX blew the budget. Even a shot down the hanger deck that had to be composited would kill them.

But yeah, this was handled in a particularly terrible way.
 
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