FS7: Back Up Solutions
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Doug Jensen
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The new Z280 and Z190 have a cool feature that lets you copy files directly to a USB drive without a computer or anything else in the middle. Even has error checking. Pretty cool.
Liam Hall
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Yeah, they look like great cams; 8-bit video gets a pass from me though.
Doug Jensen
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You should do a little more homework . . .
Z280:
XAVC-I 10-bit 4:2:2 in 4K and HD @ up to 60 fps
The Z280 even has 12G-SDI output in 4K.
Z190:
XAVC-L 10-bit 4:2:2 in HD @ up to 60 fps
Liam Hall
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Well there you go. I read the specs too fast. Anyway, I don't see how a discussion of a camera I don't own has anything to do with this thread. Totally off topic.
I looked at Nexto a while back and the solution seemed overly complicated/expensive for XQD, as you need an extra adapter:
https://www.nextodi.com/product/en_nvs2801.html
I'm shooting in remote parts of the USA right now and I brought a recent MBP plus 4 x Transcend 2TB aluminium drives. Also gives me a transcoding engine for converting GH5S files to ProRes and a stills editor (Lightroom).
One thing this trip has reminded me about is the mess of different USB connections I have - and Apple's wisdom in putting USB-C (Thunderbolt 3) ports on the MBP. All a bit of a PITA.
However, for data redundancy, I'm happier with the MBP and 2 different cloned drives - one of which we keep on us at all times, the other in the car.
Oh, and it looks like Jensen got Jensen'd - he might not appreciate it, but I thought that was quite funny
Sorry Doug - Brit humour...
Ben.
https://www.nextodi.com/product/en_nvs2801.html
I'm shooting in remote parts of the USA right now and I brought a recent MBP plus 4 x Transcend 2TB aluminium drives. Also gives me a transcoding engine for converting GH5S files to ProRes and a stills editor (Lightroom).
One thing this trip has reminded me about is the mess of different USB connections I have - and Apple's wisdom in putting USB-C (Thunderbolt 3) ports on the MBP. All a bit of a PITA.
However, for data redundancy, I'm happier with the MBP and 2 different cloned drives - one of which we keep on us at all times, the other in the car.
Oh, and it looks like Jensen got Jensen'd - he might not appreciate it, but I thought that was quite funny
Sorry Doug - Brit humour...Ben.
Doug Jensen
Carbonite Member
My original post was not off topic. You made it go off topic yourself my spewing some stuff about a certain camera that was untrue and needed to be corrected. Unbelievable.
Doug Jensen
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Oh, and it looks like Jensen got Jensen'd - he might not appreciate it, but I thought that was quite funny
I don't even know what you are talking about. See if you can explain it to me and lets really take this thread off topic.
Run&Gun
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It seems like people are really starting to try to get away from using/traveling with laptops for data transfer, but it's really the best solution, since you can organize and lay out your folder structure and naming pretty easily and quickly on the drive with a laptop. I used to use NEXTO's years ago when I first started shooting on P2, because it was the fastest way to transfer the data then and I could get two back-ups at once, but I always hated that it was just a "dumb data dump". There was no way to really organize anything in the field with it. I think they did come out with a more advanced system a few years ago, but it still seemed clumsy and limited compared to a laptop. There is the Gnarbox, but I still don't think it has the flexibility of a laptop, but it may be getting close(r). https://www.gnarbox.com
Liam Hall
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Doug, get a grip. And play nicely.
Firstly, your comment is off topic. This thread is titled “FS7: Back-Up Solutions”. I’m clearly asking for suggestions for backing up media when using my FS7.
Second, I made an honest mistake in writing ‘8 bit’. You could have corrected the mistake without your aggressive tone. Who knows, we could have had a useful chat about it?
Third, I’ve just watched your footage posted in this forum. You realise that footage is in the wrong section. You might reach more of your inteneded audience posting it in the XDCam section where it is meant to be be.
Liam Hall
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I’m not against laptops. I just want something smaller and lighter than my MacBook Pro. I’ve seen some really small PCs, but as an old Mac user I have no idea if these are up to the job.
Time for a creative to build raspberry Pi with a huge ssd card in a small package. XQD reader attached USB 3.1 and go.
edit, o well it seems someone did: https://www.fabtolab.com/raspberry-pi-hdd-ssd-expansion
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And of course someone will build this, put it in a nice housing and ask insane prices for it.
edit, o well it seems someone did: https://www.fabtolab.com/raspberry-pi-hdd-ssd-expansion
[url]https://www.techrepublic.com/article/this-beefy-raspberry-pi-challenger-supports-windows-10-ssds-usb-3-0-and-up-to-8gb-memory/
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And of course someone will build this, put it in a nice housing and ask insane prices for it.
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morgan_moore
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Liam
I know nothing of computers, and hate PCs, hence staying out of the thread, however I bought a Dell laptop (from PC world online shop) a while back and it does eat my desktop Imac for speed!
In general I would not be scared of a small Dell laptop. One warning though - I had to download some 'drivers' to make my XQD card readers work though.
I run free resolve on it
£800 you wont go wrong.
It even has HDMI out so you can dual it with a big monitor.
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Doug Jensen
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If you're a Mac user you might not like working with a PC. I tried an 11" PC a few years ago and didn't like it all. Ended up going back to my MacBook Pro and using ShotPut to copy to two drives simultaneously. A few years ago I was working on a documentary where we were shooting about 2TB of footage per day with two cameras and moving to a different hotel every night for a month. The ShotPut Pro system worked flawlessly and would even send an email whenever a card finished so I could go back up to my room from the hotel bar and start another card. To me there is no better backup solution than a real computer (preferably a Mac) and thunderbolt hard drives. There will be times when you'll need that computer to help organize stuff on the drives or check footage with Catalyst. I could never trust just a dumb data dump.
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This is also a good example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry_buv-in2A
Liam Hall
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I already own, and use both Shot-put Pro and Hedge. Workflow is not an issue for me, it's just the amount of carry- on I have. Not a problem on many of my jobs as I usually fly business with a producer and often a PA too, so I can spread essential items that I don't want to put in the hold between the three of us. I have a job coming up where I'm on my own and flying at the back. On a similar job earlier this year the amount I was trying board with was an issue. I hear you in regards to working on a PC, but I'm still wondering if there is a non-apple solution.
+1 Sam
A non-apple solution: Last summer I took an xqd reader an my windows laptop on a sailing trip and put all the files on the laptop, I use Catalyst. works well. I also used an external HDD to make backups from pc. With lexar xqd usb 3 reader it is fast too.
And this Gnarbox with usb 3.1 and ssd will be pretty cool
A non-apple solution: Last summer I took an xqd reader an my windows laptop on a sailing trip and put all the files on the laptop, I use Catalyst. works well. I also used an external HDD to make backups from pc. With lexar xqd usb 3 reader it is fast too.
And this Gnarbox with usb 3.1 and ssd will be pretty cool
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abreu-canedo
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I haven't checked the entire thread, but have you looked into MacBook Air? It's very light, and you can still do check-sum. Otherwise, if that's still too much, perhaps it's a matter of doing a dual record and just having a bunch of cards?
Best of luck!
Best of luck!
I was just about to suggest the same as Rafael.... unless you'll be shooting for many days and tons of footage at UHD / 4K - take extra XQD cards and dual record to each card simultaneously. Then ship the duplicate cards and bring the others home with you.
Or perhaps take small external recorder? Ah never mind - that would just involve extra batts, etc.
Or perhaps take small external recorder? Ah never mind - that would just involve extra batts, etc.