AVID strong points

USLatinContent said:
1. Nesting -- It seems it might be easier to quickly group/nest various clips which are already cut together into a sequence, with or without their audio clips, into one single clip which will it easier and faster to edit said sequence as if it were a rendered sequence and then apply effects to the whole thing... I wish I could give a better explanation but so long as you guys understand the general area which I thin AVID might have an advantage over Vegas then you guys can confirm or otherwise... I might just not know the faster and better way in Vegas if there is an other than the one I know which is to drop a project file in the timeline... I never really tried to drop multiple project files on the same timeline but I think I was not allowed a while back when I tried to do so.
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It's been a while since I edited in Vegas, however I still love it, and I'm not a native english speaker, so I might misunderstand you, but... isn't that as easy as pulling a box around the sequence you're done editing with (or click the first scene, hold shift and click the last one) and than hit 'G' so they all group?
And as for applying effects, you could also apply it to the whole track.

And I actually find it a huge benefit that you don't have to render smaller pieces in Vegas! I don't have much experience in Avid, but have worked with FCP quite a bit and found it a hell that you have to render everytime you apply an effect. If it's only now and than, it's no problem, like commercials on TV... time to get coffee and go to the toilet, but you have to do it all the time :/
 
That is not something you can do, can you? As far as I know groups can't be given effects that apply to all of the clips in it. Now for a track yes, but if you need multiple groups then you'd end up with multiple tracks and for those that like to keep options on tracks that are off that means a LOT of tracks...

I agree that not having to render stuff is great but I am talking about my laptop which can really benefit from that. I can't wait to check out unrendered effects on HD on AVID on the desktop. Then I'll be able to compare the two NLE's performance. Also the small renders take seconds. If that is the only way to check out a color corrected 720 with an anamorphic mask on it and be able to watch it full screen then that is good stuff.
 
24fps4ever said:
ohhh an you asked for something vegas does that avid does not well
108024pA from the hvx
avid cannot do 1080

ok now here is one thing avid can do that vegas cant
use the full potential of ram and your graphics card
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Care to elaborate on this? I've been editing with Avid for years. I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Dionysos said:
It's been a while since I edited in Vegas, however I still love it, and I'm not a native english speaker, so I might misunderstand you, but... isn't that as easy as pulling a box around the sequence you're done editing with (or click the first scene, hold shift and click the last one) and than hit 'G' so they all group?
And as for applying effects, you could also apply it to the whole track.

And I actually find it a huge benefit that you don't have to render smaller pieces in Vegas! I don't have much experience in Avid, but have worked with FCP quite a bit and found it a hell that you have to render everytime you apply an effect. If it's only now and than, it's no problem, like commercials on TV... time to get coffee and go to the toilet, but you have to do it all the time :/
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Newer versions of Vegas allow you to insert a .veg file directly onto a new timeline and treat an entire project as a clip.
 
yes but you have to close the project and open up a new timeline to throw it into... the benefit with AVID is being able to do it in the timeline, then go inside the group and do stuff and you can even have groups within groups within groups and navigate into and out of these levels... really good stuff... but that's the only one I've found so far besides the way 720 is cutting on my laptop so I can't say I like it more... I need a lot more stuff... a LOT more to say something like that... especially after messing with audio... the more i do the more scared I get... we'll see how it pans out...
 
You don't need to. You can have several instances of Vegas open at the same time, as many as your RAM can handle, and then switch between them at will. If you change anything in a project which is sitting in another timeline, the changes will hit the other timeline as soon as you click "Save."
 
Wow... I've had a few Vegas open but just outta mistake... that is sweet! But AVID still gets the upper hand on this one but not as big of a point anymore now that you tought me that.

The good thing about this in AVID is not having to wait for a new Vegas to open up. But if you can wait then you can keep two Vegas open and use the second one to look at whatever else other than the full project... I should try this... I also haven't really messed with that in AVID though I only saw it in a tutorial I got.

HEY I got a GREAT Pro for Vegas!!! lol
AVID's GUI craps on itself with 8800 series video cards and can't use them for full screen preview while Vegas was just fine with it and I had no need to get a PS3... lol.... I know... this is kin'of a non-valid point, but heck if I am not going to consider it!!! hehehe :thumbsup:
 
Vegas opens faster than any NLE I can think of -- unless you have the Media Manager enabled. I never use it, so I have it disabled (along with the splash screen), and Vegas boots in 5-6 seconds.
 
I researched this topic till my head hurt. Simple, if you wanna edit for a production house, ask them what they require..its usually final cut or avid, sometimes premiere pro. Vegas in mentioned very little, eventhough it smokes the others with many features especially audio.

If you're running your own studio or one man show, nothing comes close to the simplicity and power of vegas. period.
 
David Jimerson said:
Once you have your video edit done, you can export the sound as a continuous .wav file (uncompressed) and then bring it into Vegas with the video proxy.

Not the only way to do it, but the quickest and easiest.
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hi david, wondering about this...say you cut charcaters a and b and you have a bunch of audio clips. when you export this to your DAW as you know its gonna be one long wave file, so then you would have to recut where you did before. why not just use something like AAF or OMF instead of a wave. What is this technique you mention please
 
USLatinContent said:
So Composer is the one that full budget features and full budget TV is cut on?
how much is that crap? I guess it only runs on their most expensive hardware too right... just a wild guess :)
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Well, Media composer is the AVID system that many projects are cut on. It supports different frame rates. Film composer is also an option, but only supports 24 fps.

There's a software-only Media Composer which runs around $5k. Of course, you'll have a better system if you have the hardware to go with it (Adrenaline). But you can definitely cut on the software version, esp with the speed of modern CPUs. I went to an AVID workshop about a year ago where they were showing some of the new compression formats and they were running Media Composer software version on a Dell laptop and it was doing a great job. I'm not sure what the resolution of the footage was. It was at least 720p...
 
Ok, I recently was told that Vegas was a consumer editing tool and the only real tools were Avid and FCP. I was amazed!I got certified in Vegas 7 at NAB last April. I now have 32 v8 instances installed in a networked High School Traing facility and we CHOSE it over ALL the options. We do 90% of what we had to export to After Effects within Vegas.

During the research into which to replace our Premiere 6.5 workstations with, I had a Vegas workstation next to an Avid Express workstation and finally bought Vegas for the Avid workstation. Why? Because people would come in to an edit session with an assortment of images and footage in a variety of formats. The Avid REGULARLY made us transcode (convert) to an OMF file (FCP is the same) where Vegas just let us drop 'em on the timeline. When people are looking at hourly charges (we train for the real world) they like to save upload times by bringing in the footage as files. They could be on a DVD as VOB or a native file, or DV,, HDV, Flash, QT, or external Hard drive. The time saved in transcoding alone is worth the price of admission. Color correction is a breeze in Vegas and Avid. FCP has no advantage other than loading photoshop layers as individual video tracks. Trans coding to quicktime (see Avid above) easily eats up any time I may save here, as I can export my photoshop layers individually pretty quickly. They are all tools, and as was said do pretty much the same stuff. But Vegas is FAST and stable! The "tight integration of Ram & Video Hardware" is a non -issue as it is usually the video card/driver combination that causes PC crashes. That is one of the reasons Vegas is SOOO stable, and runs on nearly anything. Vegas is video card independant. BTW: Vegas runs really well on the workstations designed for Avid!!! In fact I know several folks who blew off Avid for Vegas on their HP 8400s and just don't tell their clients they are editing on Vegas as the Avid logos are still evident and if they don't ask ...

If they would just finish the arguing and give up menued Blu-Ray creation in DVDA 5 I wouldn't need another thing (for a little while)

Gary Brown
 
If I have a clipboard with SONY logos, on my edit desk and I edit on Premiere, is that sneaky? The Avid logos on the monitors are pasted over what look like ACER lables, is that sneaky? The point is not that it's sneaky or not but that if you can't tell with the output from your NLE, it certainly takes the edge off the "ONLY AVID!" or "ONLY FCP!" mantra. The biggest (only?) reason to go the Avid (or FCP or ...) route is to try to get a job with a Company that has one. I think that the transition to anyother NLE is always easier if you know one. Once the concepts are anchored in your mind the locations and operation is all that you need. The folks that are successful seem to me fluid and focused and most seem to speak multiple platforms. IMHO
GB-)
 
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