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I am trying to learn AVID... ughh... I get why they designed it like it is, and I see that it will be nice and simple once I get a handle on the basics of it and start cutting(I hope I am not mistaken). However Vegas is so much easier to figure out since it is --as its been said a million and one times-- more intuitive especially for long time Windows users.

However... everyone and their mother out here tells me that AVID is "just gonna be better" even if they barely know how to text with their iPhones which they don't even know why they bought. This makes me wonder that there HAS to be stuff about AVID that is better... the editors they've worked with have always cut in AVID, and they seem to chose not to leave that NLE other than a few daring FCP users. lol

I would like to hear --from fellow Vegas lovers-- just what these advantages that AVID might still posses are. I hope one day my favorite GUI won't be something I'll have to do away with in hopes to score some work as an editor (more work for those of you already established).


So, like I said I JUST started watching a DVD tutorial on Xpress Pro which I recently installed and I want to make a list and hopefully get some detailed explanations about these individually. So please don't flame me if I am wrong on my first possible advantage of Xpress Pro over Vegas 7/8. Also I am not as experienced with Vegas as many of you so there might be things and ways of doing these things in Vegas of which I am not aware of... then this thread will prove just as useful if you guys point these out and I become a better Vegas editor :)

1. Nesting -- It seems it might be easier to quickly group/nest various clips which are already cut together into a sequence, with or without their audio clips, into one single clip which will it easier and faster to edit said sequence as if it were a rendered sequence and then apply effects to the whole thing... I wish I could give a better explanation but so long as you guys understand the general area which I thin AVID might have an advantage over Vegas then you guys can confirm or otherwise... I might just not know the faster and better way in Vegas if there is an other than the one I know which is to drop a project file in the timeline... I never really tried to drop multiple project files on the same timeline but I think I was not allowed a while back when I tried to do so.

If I think I notice other stuff I will post them as a separate point. I hope Vegas users with AVID experience (or AVID people with Vegas exposure) will comment and confirm if this is true... hopefully give a bit more detail as to what might be easier and/or faster...

Of course I would LOVE to hear the advantages that Vegas has on AVID so I can rub those in the faces of skeptics :thumbsup:
 
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No answers heh...???

Thats because this question has been asked so many times that the guys just quit answering.

Anyways. Avid has got a mind share sorta emotional mkt strategy like MACs. In fact saying avids got to be better in someway is like us still believing Macs are better suited to editing than PCs.

For starters i think avid cant do 24p as well as Vegas. I dont think it has bezier masking tools either. And the interface is cluttered ,, at least to me.
 
Besides the interface.

I love Vegas and I am not finding a ton of stuff in AVID, but I wonder if it is cause I am new to it so I am giving it the benefit of the doubt... but I keep getting more and more scared about the audio... I could live with the rest... I could do visual stuff in AE which I also want to learn to a point... but if there isn't a good and easy audio workflow then I will be sadden by the fact that I need to learn AVID. So far I am happy to be learning it seems to be very fast and efficient in terms of playback. I can see how once I get used to the shortcuts it will be a fast cutter like Vegas.
I love how it was so incredibly easy to ingest 720 24PN offline and cut in my single 2.2GHz, 1GB of RAM, 5400rpm HDD laptop... I LOVE how you can render effects individually... FCP does this too, I think it is a GREAT feature for an NLE... I mean I can easily cut and preview full screen in my Laptop! And the rez is not too shabby...

We'll see how I feel about this in a week or so... I need to watch those AVID DVD's again and have a sit down with someone to show me the rest of the stuff that's not covered in the DVDs...

We'll see how it measures up as I get more and more into it.
 
look man all editors do the same damn thing, FCP, vegas, avid, premiere, everysingle one does the same thing, "CUT"
but they all do it different, I've used avid like I tell ya, I hate it but I know a lot of people that make a great living of cutting on it, no editor will ever do the things after effects or smoke does, so you will always do your normal cuts on any editor and then for effects you have to look elsewere, so my point is that I will keep cutting on vegas because all editors do the same thing plus I am very fast and proficient on vegas

ohhh an you asked for something vegas does that avid does not well
108024pA from the hvx
avid cannot do 1080

ok now here is one thing avid can do that vegas cant
use the full potential of ram and your graphics card

just my .000000000002
 
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that's a lot more than just two ten-blillionths to me... just in case u don't know I am 100% brand spanking new to AVID... as in completely

I completely agree about Vegas... I am just starting toget real fast at Vegas dude... i mean I might secretly cut in Vegas if some douche-bag that doesn't know crap comes in and tells me he needs something cut in AVID fast and cheap and will never see me again... I mean if he doesn't need those EDL files or what nots that I am still not read up on then I'd be INCREDIBLY tempted to cut it in V8...

let me remind you that the ONLY reason why I am getting into AVID is for work and cause I bet in the near future (no AVID booth this year) they will have to give their NLE an overhaul to answer to FCP's market share loss



1080 not possible at all in AVID!?! as in no-way-jo-se? a reason?
 
Roberto, your audio should be the last thing you do, normally, so you can easily cut the video in one editor and do the audio in another.
 
Yes... one of the MAIN mistakes on my first project... what are you looking for a credit in my next one too David? lol... :thumb:

I have been thinking about cutting in AVID, doing some minor stuff to the audio and then try to get an EDL out to Vegas?
But if that's not possible or simply too hard I could always cut in AVID then export the cut in 480i to Vegas with the audio un-sweetened, un-mixed and uncompressed... then if needed search for the sound clips and drop them in again... much easier than the nightmare process I created for "A Walk in the Dark"
 
No need for an EDL. Export a video proxy file -- it can be lo-res, but make sure it's still frame-accurate. If it's a 24p project, then don't export as 480i; make sure it's 23.976.

Then, you can export your audio as a .wav file, bring them in to Vegas, and go to town.
 
So the video proxy file will have the addresses for the sound clips but I need to make them all waves first? that can't be it, so I guess what you are saying is that the way to do it is sorta like I thought I would do it where I get the audio into Vegas but I might have to go fishing for the original sound clips at times if I need them...? Say all I need to do is sweeten the thing I put together in AVID, then I would be ok with the low compression Wave from AVID?
 
Once you have your video edit done, you can export the sound as a continuous .wav file (uncompressed) and then bring it into Vegas with the video proxy.

Not the only way to do it, but the quickest and easiest.
 
Ok, cool... then I could cut sections and still be able to extend them and size them as needed on a second track or even the same track and create a fade between them to apply sweetening stuffs... I'd probably do it on a second track just for a visual representation of what I have messed with...

It would really suck if I can't figure out the basics to work quickly with audio on AVID for this test project I started cause it is a little video for an audiophile club and I want to use the "official test tracks" (if they can make up their mind, lol) and create a good mix that I can cut cool random audio related visuals on top of.

Wouldn't it be nice if before V10 Vegas starts getting widely accepted in the industry instead of just by editors and some scattered extra people?
 
*Never cut on Avid X-Press Pro (or whatever it's called)*

I think that Avid has remained on top is their hardware integration. The flexibility of an Avid system for I/O digitizing and outputting for broadcast to Beta/HDcam/DVCPro/etc/etc... is well integrated into their systems. Their Nitris DS systems FLY with anything you put on the timeline. So I don't know if Avid has as much advantage in the smaller DV market as it does in the broadcast and film post market where it is really only threatened (recently) by FCP.

But I hate that interface.
 
Hardware integration plus media management plus workflow, really. Avid Xpress Pro is good to learn if you want to be a professional editor because the interface is very similar and it doesn't take long to transition to Media Composer.
 
William_Robinette said:
*Never cut on Avid X-Press Pro (or whatever it's called)*

I think that Avid has remained on top is their hardware integration. The flexibility of an Avid system for I/O digitizing and outputting for broadcast to Beta/HDcam/DVCPro/etc/etc... is well integrated into their systems. Their Nitris DS systems FLY with anything you put on the timeline. So I don't know if Avid has as much advantage in the smaller DV market as it does in the broadcast and film post market where it is really only threatened (recently) by FCP.

But I hate that interface.
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Well that makes a lotta sense... they may not make it preety but they seem to know how to deal with codecs and write code to manage it.

tommyinla said:
Hardware integration plus media management plus workflow, really. Avid Xpress Pro is good to learn if you want to be a professional editor because the interface is very similar and it doesn't take long to transition to Media Composer.
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So Composer is the one that full budget features and full budget TV is cut on?
how much is that crap? I guess it only runs on their most expensive hardware too right... just a wild guess :)


To both: I am just reacting to my findings with people talking AVID this AVID that FCP is ok AVID AVID AVID AVID FCP... if that's what it takes to get their attention then that's what I need to do... ...


If I was king of the world I'd make hot chocolate rivers, make mean people smoke something and Vegas the only NLE (and give them more money to develop it faster)...
 
If you were king of the world, what you should do is rip Vegas away from Sony and give it to someone willing to develop it to its potential, with the original Sonic Foundry attitude . . .
 
ok, you got it... if I become king of the world I'll shoot you a PM and ask you what to do about Vegas just so I don't mess it up if I forget what I was supposed to do you know HAHAHAHA
 
The first thing I'd do is support every format, the way Sonic Foundry always did, and I'd offer the BEST implementation of that support, regardless of whose format it is.

My eye would always be on giving the user what he wants, and making the editing tool as transparent as possible.
 
So sell by being the best not by playing chess. I'm down wit' 'dat.

Are you using V8? Have you color corrected in AVID Xpress Pro?
What would you have to say 'bout 'dat?
 
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