Avid, FCPX, PPro
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bruceallen
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Glad you enjoyed my description!
Retail is like $1300 I think now.
Not sure what the student version goes for and / or if it is part of the awesome $240 for 3 years of free updates thing. I think there is a 30-day free trial, which might be good for a project...
The script based editing (sans speech recognition search and speech recognition based syncing) is built into all Avids now I think. At least it is on mine.
Bruce Allen
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ryanjf
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Danny - with regards to collaboration between the picture department and post sound department, I can safely say that Avid still has the upper hand on this. The metadata management, FilmScribe, EDL Manager, and customization of Avid when it comes to handing off material from the picture dept. to the post sound dept. has been pretty solid lately. However, it ultimately depends on what you're using the NLE for and if you will be collaborating with others such as post sound. For feature films, I have run into several situations where an FCP7 project was converted to an Avid project just to export a change list correctly because FCP does this poorly. A few months ago, I had my first bite with a FCPX project being prepped for post sound work via X2Pro. To say the least, it was ok and there were huge sync'ing errors, but the fact that the FCPX editor had to use a third party program just to export an OMF/AAF is absurd to me. I hope FCPX implements this natively soon (if it's already implemented, then yay!). With regards to Premiere, I've had a few issues with OMF/AAFs being generated to hand over to the post sound dept. I've probably only worked on a few Premiere shows and each project had a error message when exporting the necessary OMF/AAF for post sound folks. I've had a few picture editors say they'll never cut on Premiere again just because of all the confusion with OMF/AAF exports. Furthermore, I'm unsure if Premiere even allows EDL exports, Change Lists, handles metadata correctly, etc.?
Like I said, it ultimately depends on how you're working with people. I think Avid still remains a prominent force in the industry, at least for feature films.
Like I said, it ultimately depends on how you're working with people. I think Avid still remains a prominent force in the industry, at least for feature films.
I am not sure I am totally sold on FCP X as the end-all for video editing, however, I have been using it since it first came out. Once you get used to the concept of events being an event library, which is basically a catalog of all of your media, you will learn to embrace the program. Everything you have ever ingested in FCP X is cataloged as an event. You can pull whatever you need. The interesting thing is that you can assign tags or keywords to every clip in an event. You can even catalog the edited in and out points from a preexisting clip as another clip. You can do the same for compound clips.
As for the media, people have the false impression that it must stay on your primary harddrive. That is false. You can save to any drive.
I am not sure what the big deal is about the magnetic timeline. I thought the whole thing was overblown from the start. The only clip that you will see at the time the playhead is parked on anybody's timeline is the one on top. FCP X does the same thing, however, instead of worrying about the clip above moving, they made it "sticky" or magnetic. You can still add other clips, text, effects, or compound clips above the primary line. The neat thing is that you can move the whole group and it stays together. Now that they have made an option to nudge by holding down the tilde key, it is easier to move anything above the primary line. You can also have a secondary line as well.
As for the hype of FCP X with Open Cl, "yippy". I tried FCP X on a mac pro tower and upgraded my video card to a 5870. Well, no zippier than the 5770. 200 bucks wasted. That soured me on the marketing engine for Apple.
I have seen some good stuff from FCP X. I find it works rapidly, however, I have seen some good work with Premiere Pro as well. In the end, I am not so sure any one tool, and that is what these NLEs are, is the whole solution. A good craftsmen always has a number of tools to arrive at the finished product.
It will boil down to what one can afford and what your vision is. As they say in competitive target shooting "a good shooter will shoot well with anything, a bad shooter will shoot bad with anything". Keep an open mind and learn the basics that work well regardless of platform. At the end of the day it is the vision you had to create the finished product. The placement of the in and out points, the transitions, the pacing, the dialogue, the lighting ratios, the scenes, the appearance of the format, and the sound that will drive the end product, not the product you used to edit the project.
As for the media, people have the false impression that it must stay on your primary harddrive. That is false. You can save to any drive.
I am not sure what the big deal is about the magnetic timeline. I thought the whole thing was overblown from the start. The only clip that you will see at the time the playhead is parked on anybody's timeline is the one on top. FCP X does the same thing, however, instead of worrying about the clip above moving, they made it "sticky" or magnetic. You can still add other clips, text, effects, or compound clips above the primary line. The neat thing is that you can move the whole group and it stays together. Now that they have made an option to nudge by holding down the tilde key, it is easier to move anything above the primary line. You can also have a secondary line as well.
As for the hype of FCP X with Open Cl, "yippy". I tried FCP X on a mac pro tower and upgraded my video card to a 5870. Well, no zippier than the 5770. 200 bucks wasted. That soured me on the marketing engine for Apple.
I have seen some good stuff from FCP X. I find it works rapidly, however, I have seen some good work with Premiere Pro as well. In the end, I am not so sure any one tool, and that is what these NLEs are, is the whole solution. A good craftsmen always has a number of tools to arrive at the finished product.
It will boil down to what one can afford and what your vision is. As they say in competitive target shooting "a good shooter will shoot well with anything, a bad shooter will shoot bad with anything". Keep an open mind and learn the basics that work well regardless of platform. At the end of the day it is the vision you had to create the finished product. The placement of the in and out points, the transitions, the pacing, the dialogue, the lighting ratios, the scenes, the appearance of the format, and the sound that will drive the end product, not the product you used to edit the project.
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