Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
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Vegas is great and getting better. I did the Mac thing and found it to be an elite club not really based on performance but ignorance about the PC world. For the most part that is.. a lot of cool people use macs
Vegas is great and getting better. I did the Mac thing and found it to be an elite club not really based on performance but ignorance about the PC world. For the most part that is.. a lot of cool people use macs
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I agree with you Pete... hopefully the G5 will give mac people a little more power to work with. IMHO Mac people just need to can the vs. PC thing and focus on making better products, because althogh mac's are very pretty, they just dont have the ooomppfff. Maybe that's whay Adobe is giving mac the middle finger on Premier Pro right off the bat.
I agree with you Pete... hopefully the G5 will give mac people a little more power to work with. IMHO Mac people just need to can the vs. PC thing and focus on making better products, because althogh mac's are very pretty, they just dont have the ooomppfff. Maybe that's whay Adobe is giving mac the middle finger on Premier Pro right off the bat.
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actually you can do multiple sequences, by opening up a few vegas windows. You can drag and drop between windows, and retain your data.
actually you can do multiple sequences, by opening up a few vegas windows. You can drag and drop between windows, and retain your data.
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The biggest difference I have seen is that FCP uses a two-monitor (source and target) paradigm, while I can't see any way to set Vegas up except as a one-monitor program. As someone who has done video editing ever since the days of 1/2" B&W reel-to-reel videotape, I have found the two-monitor setup the standard, most precise, easiest, and most natural way to edit. That is why, as impressed as I am by some aspects of Vegas, I'm sticking with FCP. If Vegas were ever to make the two-monitor setup an option, I would have to give it a great deal of consideration. But, for now...
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The biggest difference I have seen is that FCP uses a two-monitor (source and target) paradigm, while I can't see any way to set Vegas up except as a one-monitor program. As someone who has done video editing ever since the days of 1/2" B&W reel-to-reel videotape, I have found the two-monitor setup the standard, most precise, easiest, and most natural way to edit. That is why, as impressed as I am by some aspects of Vegas, I'm sticking with FCP. If Vegas were ever to make the two-monitor setup an option, I would have to give it a great deal of consideration. But, for now...
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Sol M.
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Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
Yeah, Vegas does away with the workflow that many other NLEs (FCP,Premier,Avid,etc.) and it really irked me at first, as I too come from reel-to-reel linear editing. However, after working on my first actual project after switching to Vegas, I was hooked.
However, while multiple sequences is technically possible (by way of running multiple instances of the program), I find the workaround too much of a compromise on workflow and project organization. Maybe it's just me, but I like having all related sequences for a specific project in one project file. I've found such a feature especially useful in long form, magazine format, and episodic pieces. Hopefully Sony will add this to the next rev.
Yeah, Vegas does away with the workflow that many other NLEs (FCP,Premier,Avid,etc.) and it really irked me at first, as I too come from reel-to-reel linear editing. However, after working on my first actual project after switching to Vegas, I was hooked.
However, while multiple sequences is technically possible (by way of running multiple instances of the program), I find the workaround too much of a compromise on workflow and project organization. Maybe it's just me, but I like having all related sequences for a specific project in one project file. I've found such a feature especially useful in long form, magazine format, and episodic pieces. Hopefully Sony will add this to the next rev.
Mark_Monciardini
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Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
You'll probably get more users posting positive things about Vegas here because this is the Vegas forum, but let me put my 2 cents in.
I've been using Vegas for 1 1/2 years. It's cool. But I'm getting out of it. There is not enough pro features on it. I tried a G5 with Final Cut and love it. There is so much more control over panning,cropping, setting clip duration's, fade duration's etc. Love it.
Vegas is cool at first, but you'll master it really fast, there's just not much their. Plus the scrub in Vegas blows. It's just not up to pro broadcast level.
I think Final Cut is definitely the way to go if you are really serious. Maybe that's why so many film makers use it.
We have more people using Vegas seems like simply because most users are getting free downloads of it on Kazza and other 2p2 programs. There's a reason Final Cut is so pricey, because over all it is plain better designed software.
From my experience with Vegas and Premiere, I would take Final Cut for a test drive and see what you think.
Good luck.
-Mark Monciardini
You'll probably get more users posting positive things about Vegas here because this is the Vegas forum, but let me put my 2 cents in.
I've been using Vegas for 1 1/2 years. It's cool. But I'm getting out of it. There is not enough pro features on it. I tried a G5 with Final Cut and love it. There is so much more control over panning,cropping, setting clip duration's, fade duration's etc. Love it.
Vegas is cool at first, but you'll master it really fast, there's just not much their. Plus the scrub in Vegas blows. It's just not up to pro broadcast level.
I think Final Cut is definitely the way to go if you are really serious. Maybe that's why so many film makers use it.
We have more people using Vegas seems like simply because most users are getting free downloads of it on Kazza and other 2p2 programs. There's a reason Final Cut is so pricey, because over all it is plain better designed software.
From my experience with Vegas and Premiere, I would take Final Cut for a test drive and see what you think.
Good luck.
-Mark Monciardini
Sol M.
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Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
I'm probably the exact opposite. I was a user of FCP since version 1.0 all the way up to 4.0. I would agree that it definitely does have many pro features (just as Vegas does), but also lacks features of other NLEs (just as Vegas does).
However, I cannot agree with the claim that "more 'filmmakers' use FCP because it's better". Rather, FCP continues in the apple tradition of being deemed THE choice for "artists" or "professionals" (by apple mind you). Therefore, usership is mostly made up of those that wannabe "artists" or "pro" (hence the "pro" moniker in the name).
Aside from that, I agree that FCP is a great tool, but Vegas is no less than its equal. Coming from a longtime use of FCP, I feel that Vegas has just as much "pro" tools as FCP. It's just that for some, those few missing features are deal breakers. This goes for FCP, Vegas, Avid, Premier, etc.
I'm probably the exact opposite. I was a user of FCP since version 1.0 all the way up to 4.0. I would agree that it definitely does have many pro features (just as Vegas does), but also lacks features of other NLEs (just as Vegas does).
However, I cannot agree with the claim that "more 'filmmakers' use FCP because it's better". Rather, FCP continues in the apple tradition of being deemed THE choice for "artists" or "professionals" (by apple mind you). Therefore, usership is mostly made up of those that wannabe "artists" or "pro" (hence the "pro" moniker in the name).
Aside from that, I agree that FCP is a great tool, but Vegas is no less than its equal. Coming from a longtime use of FCP, I feel that Vegas has just as much "pro" tools as FCP. It's just that for some, those few missing features are deal breakers. This goes for FCP, Vegas, Avid, Premier, etc.
Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
The audio tools and workflow are the thing that sets Vegas apart. You either like the workflow or you don't (I love it) but the audio stuff is easily the best in any NLE. If you don't need that audio power or you use other software then that may not be a concern but if you do Vegas can be a huge time saver.
I was just in a Premiere Edit suite and the editor was lamenting the fact that she had to export her whole timeline as a wav, import it into sound forge, do the tweaks, save it, import the new audio into Premiere, mute all the old audio & hope she doesn't have to change anything or the whole process starts over. I used to do the same thing and it was a pain in the ass.
In Vegas I can do anything with audio & with the integration of Sound Forge and using takes the amount of audio tweakage is ridiculous. This isn't even taking into account the ease of mixing in surround (which is what got me into Vegas in the first place). A little while ago I helped someone do a little short video for a festival. She edited the Vid at her place on FCP & we did all the sound at my place in Vegas. She was so impressed with the way it worked, we were recording foley stuff right to the timeline in stereo at 24bit & mixing it right there. It's so cool to be able to move clips and adjust stuff and have the timeline keep trucking along. "it's so cool you can do all this in real time" is what she said.
As for the funky audio scrub - I agree with Mark Monciardini - it blows...I could never get used to that little shuttle thing or the alt-scrub (or something like that). What changed my mind was the Shuttle Pro, add this thing to Vegas and audio scrubbing is perfect, just like a deck. It should come as standard equipment with Vegas and it cured the one gripe I had with the software.
So there ya go, that's what I think the Vegas advantage is.
Yoyodyne
The audio tools and workflow are the thing that sets Vegas apart. You either like the workflow or you don't (I love it) but the audio stuff is easily the best in any NLE. If you don't need that audio power or you use other software then that may not be a concern but if you do Vegas can be a huge time saver.
I was just in a Premiere Edit suite and the editor was lamenting the fact that she had to export her whole timeline as a wav, import it into sound forge, do the tweaks, save it, import the new audio into Premiere, mute all the old audio & hope she doesn't have to change anything or the whole process starts over. I used to do the same thing and it was a pain in the ass.
In Vegas I can do anything with audio & with the integration of Sound Forge and using takes the amount of audio tweakage is ridiculous. This isn't even taking into account the ease of mixing in surround (which is what got me into Vegas in the first place). A little while ago I helped someone do a little short video for a festival. She edited the Vid at her place on FCP & we did all the sound at my place in Vegas. She was so impressed with the way it worked, we were recording foley stuff right to the timeline in stereo at 24bit & mixing it right there. It's so cool to be able to move clips and adjust stuff and have the timeline keep trucking along. "it's so cool you can do all this in real time" is what she said.
As for the funky audio scrub - I agree with Mark Monciardini - it blows...I could never get used to that little shuttle thing or the alt-scrub (or something like that). What changed my mind was the Shuttle Pro, add this thing to Vegas and audio scrubbing is perfect, just like a deck. It should come as standard equipment with Vegas and it cured the one gripe I had with the software.
So there ya go, that's what I think the Vegas advantage is.
Yoyodyne
Mark_Monciardini
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Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
Jive, what type of work do/did you do in Vegas and FC?
Is there a Mac version of Vegas?, or did you all in all switch to PC because of Vegas? If you did switch to PC, how are you liking it compared to Mac?
just cerious.
Jive, what type of work do/did you do in Vegas and FC?
Is there a Mac version of Vegas?, or did you all in all switch to PC because of Vegas? If you did switch to PC, how are you liking it compared to Mac?
just cerious.
Sol M.
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Re: Avantage of Vegas over FCP besides price
Sorry for the confusion. There is no Mac version of Vegas. Basically, I didn't really 'switch'. I've always used PC at home, and I've always used Macs at work. I can't really say that I'm a "PC person" or a "Mac person".
When I started with FCP back when it was only v1.0, I would do all my editing on it at work. However, when the time came to update my aging computer at my home 'studio' (earlier this year), I decided to look into a PC NLE solution as I would be building my own PC (try getting a worth mac for $800!). I tried them all, and I decided on Vegas.
I've pretty much edited the same sort of stuff on both systems (just more of them on FCP as I've edited on it longer). I've worked on PSAs, television shows (magazine-format,episodic character-driven, etc.), news (mostly location, not so much studio), documentaries, short films, feature-length films, commercials (long and short form), promo videos, etc.
And I agree with Yoyodyne on Vegas' audio capabilities. They are superbe.
Sorry for the confusion. There is no Mac version of Vegas. Basically, I didn't really 'switch'. I've always used PC at home, and I've always used Macs at work. I can't really say that I'm a "PC person" or a "Mac person".
When I started with FCP back when it was only v1.0, I would do all my editing on it at work. However, when the time came to update my aging computer at my home 'studio' (earlier this year), I decided to look into a PC NLE solution as I would be building my own PC (try getting a worth mac for $800!). I tried them all, and I decided on Vegas.
I've pretty much edited the same sort of stuff on both systems (just more of them on FCP as I've edited on it longer). I've worked on PSAs, television shows (magazine-format,episodic character-driven, etc.), news (mostly location, not so much studio), documentaries, short films, feature-length films, commercials (long and short form), promo videos, etc.
And I agree with Yoyodyne on Vegas' audio capabilities. They are superbe.