GH3 Arizona Biltmore Resort

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dan.carter

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This location was chosen because the unique architectural patterns caused aliasing & moire even in projects using a Panasonic 3 chip video cam. In this project, with the GH3, I see nothing to be overly concerned about relative to aliasing & moire. Other than one camera lockup using HDR, and 3 or 4 apparent firmware issues, the GH3 performed nicely.

Similar project with GH2 is here: vimeo.com/28287141

Panasonic DMC-GH3
Lumix X 12-35 f2.8
B+W polarizer
FHD/60p 50 Mbps (Not All-I)
Vivid +1 Saturation, +1 Sharpening
Slow clip Frame Rate 40%
 
Wow...that is extremely detailed and sharp footage. A lot of the time I view these sorts of clips on my laptop...then look up to my TV just to get a genaral feel of how the footage compares to a broadcast (if it's "cinematic" footage, I'll find a movie..if it's more "sports/doc look", I'll change to that) This compared very well to what I was viewing on TV. A lot of times it's not even close.
 
pulpfiction007 said:
Wow...that is extremely detailed and sharp footage. A lot of the time I view these sorts of clips on my laptop...then look up to my TV just to get a genaral feel of how the footage compares to a broadcast (if it's "cinematic" footage, I'll find a movie..if it's more "sports/doc look", I'll change to that) This compared very well to what I was viewing on TV. A lot of times it's not even close.
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Happy to hear you enjoyed this project. Thanks for watching.
 
Thanks Dan,

But there's no way to judge the moire because you didn't move the camera on any of the shots.
You're not going to see real issues with any camera until you start panning and tilting and dollying.
 
jimagine said:
Thanks Dan,

But there's no way to judge the moire because you didn't move the camera on any of the shots.
You're not going to see real issues with any camera until you start panning and tilting and dollying.
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Jimagine,

I beg to differ. As a previous owner of Nikon D90, D5000 and Canon 7Ds, I've had plenty of locked down shots rendered useless from both issues.
 
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you're both right.

though moire certainly will happen in a locked off shot. it won't be of the overtly jarring nature (appearing animated) unless the camera or the object creating the moire is moving.

i'm going to side with jimagine and say that this clip is definitely NOT a good case study for moire propensity. not only because of a lack of camera movement. but there just werent that many, high-contrast, repeating, fine textures.

there were several nice looking shots though!
 
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dan.carter said:
Jimagine,

I beg to differ. As a previous owner of Nikon D90, D5000 and Canon 7Ds, I've had plenty of locked down shots rendered useless from both issues.
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Yes, but what will show up as moire in a still will always show up in a motion clip.

However, much of the more egregious forms of moire and aliasing that happen when moving a camera against certain patterns, wont.

My simple point was it wasn't a good way to test for moire when filming with the GH3 because you would rarely have the camera locked like that (especially with no action in the scene), and pretty much never in doc or handheld work.
In fact, it took till the third clip for me to realize they weren't stills.
 
jimagine said:
Yes, but what will show up as moire in a still will always show up in a motion clip.

However, much of the more egregious forms of moire and aliasing that happen when moving a camera against certain patterns, wont.

My simple point was it wasn't a good way to test for moire when filming with the GH3 because you would rarely have the camera locked like that (especially with no action in the scene), and pretty much never in doc or handheld work.
In fact, it took till the third clip for me to realize they weren't stills.
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Though I always use a tripod or monopod, future projects may provide the movement you're looking for.

Thanks for watching and commenting.
 
Thank you for something of a real-world video Dan.

Very nice color saturation, Is this straight from the camera?

How is the continuous autofocus with this model, and what is your general feeling for the GH3?
 
2 things I do not like....
Static shots (this looks like photos instead of video)

Lack of dof. I'm all for deep dof when called for it, but every single shot in focus makes this footage look like a small chip camera.

Colors look nice and image is sharp, but imo not really cinematic at all. Also would have liked to have seen some different angles.
 
John Caballero said:
Can you please define cinematic....
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Easy, something that resembles Motion Picture.......


My professor in College told me the problem he felt with certain dslr videographers were they recorded and shot images like pictures. Cinema is supposed to have movement and use lighting. Not to take anything away from the OP as he has some excellent footage, this is just my opinion on the footage. Using depth of field creates time and space, moving the camera also creates emotion. In my opinion the way this was shot did not achieve this.

If you ask for opinion this is mine, I am neither right nor wrong, just my view.... As a filmmaker on any level it is always good to hear the opinions of others
peace
 
Unless this was a narrative, music video or otherwise specifically meant to be "cinematic", I hardly think that's relevant for a video like this. As far as showing off some of the strengths of the GH3, this video did a pretty awesome job I think.
 
superslowcathy said:
Thank you for something of a real-world video Dan.

Very nice color saturation, Is this straight from the camera?

How is the continuous autofocus with this model, and what is your general feeling for the GH3?
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I'm happy to hear you found the project useful Cathy.

The clips are all straight from the GH3. Settings: Vivid, +1 Saturation, +1 Sharpening.

My initial experience with video continuous autofocus indicates the GH3 may be equal to dedicated video cameras I have used. This is surprising, as the GH2 was not. Hopefully, more time with the GH3 will validate this.

Though the video image is not a huge improvement, the quantity and quality of the codex choices are. This and the added size, buttons, and numerous other features, for me, make the GH3 a big improvement.

The firmware seems a bit buggy, but I would hope updates will correct these.

Thanks for watching.
 
Cinematic is in the eye of the beholder. And shallow DOF is just a small part of it. There is plenty of shallow DOP shot on interlaced video productions as well. The generation growing up right now will never now what real film was. They are growing up with HD video games and HD shot movies. Look as an example the opening of The Hobbit. Record breaking box office with audiences loving it after so much nonsense from film purist and critics about "the 48 FPS travesty". Cinema is changing and the future of cinema from an aesthetics point of view is changing. Whoever is not aware of this is out of the loop.

In Forbes no less:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhug...he-hobbit-wins-huge-opening-and-high-ratings/
 
So this is based on sales now?

Cinema can only hope to achieve what Call Of Duty (Hd Video Game) has........
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/12/05/call-of-duty-black-ops-2-passes-1bn-milestone

1 billion dollars........

So is sales the point of your post? I'm more than sure the camera in hobbit is constantly moving.... Why am I even posting here as you just don't get it.....

The images the OP shot look great, my thoughts were it looked like pictures instead of video. If everything were shot static with no movement it would never bring us into the world. It just brings the impression like I'm looking through a window. Regardless I work on many professional projects and static shots are sometimes called for but movement is always introduced to create emotion with the audience and creator. My post was an opinion, that is all.

Peace
 
More shot than not are locked off. But it happens to me that there is movement within the frame. I have a habit of over moving a camera. But when I see movement in front of me, I try and lock the camera more than not.

I agree, the OP's video is very locked off and with scenes that are still. Had there been more people moving through some of the scenes there wouldn't have been as many shots that look like stills. I think even just a basic dolly would have worked a bit better.

Byt JFR, go and time some movies or TV shows and look at how many static shots you actually see. THis includes shoulder mount slight movement and no pans. It's more than you think.
 
Not sure why anybody is worry about J.F.R's opinion about the footage. I don't think the OP posted it for J.F.R. review. Everyone can have an opinion and share it. Hopefully we aren't here to impress each other.
 
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