Applying transition to frames and not 16:9 bars?

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Anthony113

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Ok I shot in 16:9 "simulated" mode and im trying to use the flash effect. Problem is that when I apply the effect, it fades the black bars white as well as the frame. How can I say, mask off the bars or prevent the transition from applying to the bars? Thanks a bunch!
 
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I'll get back to you! :)
 
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Okay

I think I got it.  I love this place by the way.  Someone asks a question that I dont know the answer to and it fuels me to figure it out!

I first went to: MEDIA GENERATORS and selected the REGULAR TRANSPARENCY TO BLACK preset (Like all good Presets you can save them once you have what you like for future reference)

I personally created a NEW VIDEO TRACK and put this on the top.  At this point you need to FINE TUNE your Preset that was selected. You'll see a Number 1 and Number 2 sorrounded by little circles; this is where you drag them around to fine tune the Preset (Obviously in this case you are creating a custom letter box!)

Hope this helps. I applied the FLASH effect and it worked perfectly. The FLASH stayed in the confines of my LETTERBOX.
 
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ok guys i figured it out! i exported a still from my movie to photoshop. i selected the area where the actual movie would be and hit delete. leaving me with black bars and a transparent area in the middle. i saved the png. created a new video track and imported the png to the track. i stretched the png over the length of my movie, thus creating a 16:9 video mask. now, does anyone know if its possible to crop the bars out entirely leaving just the actual 16:9 frames like, not letterboxed? thanks!
 
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ok guys i figured it out!

Silly Rabbit
That seems like alot of extra work.  ::)

What are you trying to do now?  You want to see only the footage but keep the aspect ratio MINUS THE BLACK LETTERBOX?

What do you want in place of the LETTERBOX?

Or are you looking for your footage to fill the entire frame in a 16:9 Aspect Ratio?
 
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Yeah I want the footage to fill the frame in a 16:9 ratio, no letterbox
 
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Not sure.

Open the project with the 16:9 aspect ratio (Properties) or shoot it 4:3 and mask!
 
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As long as your project properties and media properties match, the image should fill the frame. Try changing your project's pixel aspect ratio (in File>>Properties), as well as your media's pixel aspect ratio (if it wasn't recognized automatically) to "Widescreen". You should not have any bars to deal with. IMHO, needing to use a mask to cover the bars would take up computer resources that could be used to edit faster.

When you want to output to a 4:3 frame, you can render out your finished edit and open it in a project with a 4:3 aspect ratio.
 
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I agree that it would take longer (I like the bars myself!) but what if we were doing a 2:35? Kind of would need the mask, huh?

As far as filling the frame...

Would it not 'blow up' or increase the original image? (Much like blowing up an iimage in Photoshop?)
 
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If you go into the Image Pan/Crop tool, you'll see several presets in the drop-down menu.  One of them is "16:9" and it will crop out the black bars, leaving transparency at the top and botton.  This is OK as long as there isn't anything under the clip which might show through (which means you're going to want to crop titles, color underlays, etc., as well).

When you do a flash transition or something like that, when you preview it, it will fill the entire 4:3 frame.  However, if you render out your final as widescreen, as long as you have everything cropped the same, it will render the flash transition only within the 16:9 area and the letterbox areas will remain black.

You can then still use the footage to make a 4:3 letterboxed DVD, or you can make a widescreen anamorphic DVD with it (which your DVD player will automatically letterbox on a 4:3 TV).
 
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Yes, the solution I offered will only work for the pixel aspect ratios supported by the NLE. Bar overlays or cropping would be your only real solution. As for blowing up the image, you may very well be right, as I haven't worked with much 16:9 footage. But I would imagine that if you match the project properties to the media's properties, you'd fill the frame with the image without enlarging the image.

My curiosity has been piqued :) I will do some testing and get back. Nonetheless, if you want the simplest and fastest solution, go for cropping or overlays. I'm just niggling at the technical aspects at this point.
 
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LOL

Thats why were here; too figure it all out!
 
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Using the black bar overlay is the simplest way to do it -- even though it may increase your render time (which may be more than offset by the time saved in just plopping down the .png and calling it done) -- but only if you want your final project to be 4:3. If you try to render it out as widescreen, it will treat it as a 4:3 image and windowbox it, meaning you'll have a black box all the way around it, not just at the top and bottom.
 
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True that. But in this instance (and I am referring to the original starting question of this thread) the bar overlay:

...MEDIA GENERATORS and selected the REGULAR TRANSPARENCY TO BLACK preset...

would be applied in only the 1 to 2 seconds of footage you are trying to 'mask'. In this case a 'Flash' from the Transitions presets.
 
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If I'm doing what you did, I have, in effect, created a 4:3 letterbox mask with that media generator.

If it's only over the 1-2 seconds of the transition, if it's rendered out to widescreen, even if the rest is cropped and is rendered as "good" widescreen, those few seconds will be rendered as 4:3 and will be windowboxed. You'll get the black box all the way around the picture (now reduced in size) for the duration of the transition.

This has happened to me . . . :-[
 
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Agghhh!

Now Im confused on what we are talking about! Are we still on the ORIGINAL QUESTION and SOLUTION or are we now talking about the same tachnique applied to 16:9 footage WITH NO BARS?

:-/ :D
 
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I was on the original question . . .
 
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This is not happening to me. I am playing with the TROY trailer. It is originally in a Letterbox. Even if I turn it into a 4:3 aspect ration and then apply the technique and preview in Windows Player it comes on as a letterboxed (Cheesy with the 4:3!) appearance.
 
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Jive, are you saying that you can bring in letterboxed footage (that is to say, masked, non-anamorphic 4:3 footage) into a widescreen project and get Vegas to remove the black bars and treat the 16:9 center image as true widescreen? I just ran a few tests to that effect, and haven't been able to get that to happen.
 
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John, crop the trailer (not mask, but crop) with the 16:9 crop preset. You can then render it out as widescreen.

Of course, if you play it in Media Player, it'll look like a letterboxed 4:3 image -- as any widescreen image will. But you can make an anamorphic DVD out of it.
 
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