Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs. 30"
- Thread starter ian lucero
- Start date
jmproductions13
Active member
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i dont understand how the 23" is HD and the 20" isnt.. i mean the res of hd is 1080 by 720... both of their max res's exceed that. so what makes the 23" hd and the 20" not?
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i dont understand how the 23" is HD and the 20" isnt.. i mean the res of hd is 1080 by 720... both of their max res's exceed that. so what makes the 23" hd and the 20" not?
ian lucero
Well-known member
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
[quote author=jmproductions13 link=board=Links;num=1106281271;start=15#21 date=01/26/05 at 16:21:20]i dont understand how the 23" is HD and the 20" isnt.. i mean the res of hd is 1080 by 720... both of their max res's exceed that. so what makes the 23" hd and the 20" not?[/quote]
So that the production houses have an excuse to get the more expensive stuff. :
No seriously, good question. Anyone care to comment on that? I downloaded the Cinema Displays specs PDF:
http://images.apple.com/displays/pdf/Displays_TO_06282004.pdf
It states for the 23" display:
"Add an interface from eCinema Systems, and you can even use the 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display to view high-definition serial digital interface (HD SDI) signals used in broadcast television environments at their true intended resolution, something not possible even with expensive broadcast-grade CRT-based monitors."
So, you still need to buy something else in order to decode a true HD signal. It sounds to me like just sticking the letters "HD" in there, like saying "Titanium" or "Aluminum" which will make people buy it cause it sounds more pro or hip.
Anyone want to clear this HD mess? I'm confused about Apple's part in the HD market.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
[quote author=jmproductions13 link=board=Links;num=1106281271;start=15#21 date=01/26/05 at 16:21:20]i dont understand how the 23" is HD and the 20" isnt.. i mean the res of hd is 1080 by 720... both of their max res's exceed that. so what makes the 23" hd and the 20" not?[/quote]
So that the production houses have an excuse to get the more expensive stuff. :
No seriously, good question. Anyone care to comment on that? I downloaded the Cinema Displays specs PDF:http://images.apple.com/displays/pdf/Displays_TO_06282004.pdf
It states for the 23" display:
"Add an interface from eCinema Systems, and you can even use the 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display to view high-definition serial digital interface (HD SDI) signals used in broadcast television environments at their true intended resolution, something not possible even with expensive broadcast-grade CRT-based monitors."
So, you still need to buy something else in order to decode a true HD signal. It sounds to me like just sticking the letters "HD" in there, like saying "Titanium" or "Aluminum" which will make people buy it cause it sounds more pro or hip.
Anyone want to clear this HD mess? I'm confused about Apple's part in the HD market.
soarprod
Veteran
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
HD refers to the resolution of the monitor - 23" is 1920x1200 rez - the spec of 1080p rez HD. The 20" is 1680x1050 rez therefore sub full HD. 720p is only 1280x720 rez and yet that qualifies as HD. So, the 20" monitors are actually HD just not 1080p rez hd. But they are still sweet for editing ;D
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
HD refers to the resolution of the monitor - 23" is 1920x1200 rez - the spec of 1080p rez HD. The 20" is 1680x1050 rez therefore sub full HD. 720p is only 1280x720 rez and yet that qualifies as HD. So, the 20" monitors are actually HD just not 1080p rez hd. But they are still sweet for editing ;D
Loki
Veteran
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Don't forget that Apple Rejects many of the displays that get used in other brands...
that being said.. they are probably slightly overpriced.. like most of apples stuff.. but hell.. the displays are extremely high quality.
they have excellent contrast and brightness, and some of the best pixel response time..
the use of titanium n aluminum ain't just marketing... they also happen to be the materials used in the computers case
20" is a sweet monitor..
23" sweeter..
I have used the 30"... and it is a beast... absolutely friggin amazing... I almost wet my pants when I sat down to try her out.. wow..
a tad expensive.. but.. wow.... can easily have both the viewer and canvas window in FCP at full DV res... DROOOOOOOL
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Don't forget that Apple Rejects many of the displays that get used in other brands...
that being said.. they are probably slightly overpriced.. like most of apples stuff.. but hell.. the displays are extremely high quality.
they have excellent contrast and brightness, and some of the best pixel response time..
the use of titanium n aluminum ain't just marketing... they also happen to be the materials used in the computers case
20" is a sweet monitor..
23" sweeter..
I have used the 30"... and it is a beast... absolutely friggin amazing... I almost wet my pants when I sat down to try her out.. wow..
a tad expensive.. but.. wow.... can easily have both the viewer and canvas window in FCP at full DV res... DROOOOOOOL
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Does the response time of the Apple Display is 16ms? The 20in from Dell which has the same number of pixel as the apple 20in is 850$ canadian (aroun 650-700 US) and has a response time of 12ms!
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Does the response time of the Apple Display is 16ms? The 20in from Dell which has the same number of pixel as the apple 20in is 850$ canadian (aroun 650-700 US) and has a response time of 12ms!
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i used the 30 inch at the apple store for like 20 minutes. all I can say is its amazing. if I had money to burn (how much is it, 3000 + 500 for the video card) Id get it. its not too big to where it looks weird (i think the widescreen just makes it look bad ass) and the resolution is sweet. I saw no ghosting at all
Ronik, i've heard that the Dell 20in widescreen is the same exact lcd panel made by LG as the cinema displays
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i used the 30 inch at the apple store for like 20 minutes. all I can say is its amazing. if I had money to burn (how much is it, 3000 + 500 for the video card) Id get it. its not too big to where it looks weird (i think the widescreen just makes it look bad ass) and the resolution is sweet. I saw no ghosting at all
Ronik, i've heard that the Dell 20in widescreen is the same exact lcd panel made by LG as the cinema displays
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Sorry, the exact price of the dell one is 749$ US so 1500 for two. The Apple 20in is 999$ (250$ more for a longer response time and the same number of pixel) who will buy the Apple one? I just want to understand if my way to think is wrong! Do you buy it for the look?
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Sorry, the exact price of the dell one is 749$ US so 1500 for two. The Apple 20in is 999$ (250$ more for a longer response time and the same number of pixel) who will buy the Apple one? I just want to understand if my way to think is wrong! Do you buy it for the look?
24pshooter
Active member
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
"Only thing I don't like about it is that seems to have the build of the old Apple Studio Displays, which I didn't care for. Flimsy. Almost like it could break. I'll have to see one in person and mess with it."
Just to chime in, I have used a 22" apple flat screen (not HD) for 2+ years and have transported it multiple times. Extremely solid. The plastic "stand" leg coming out of the back is much more durable than it looks. Absolutely no problems, cracks, dead pixels, etc. It was expensive at the time, but it has really delivered.
I've been tempted to upgrade to the 30" because it is such a mammoth and a great display is a high priority for me--but the fact is that 22 inches really is big enough for me for my FCP/DVDSP editing. I've played with the 30" and it is cool, but I almost think it is too big if that is possible. I think I'd rather put that money into RAM or buy a bargain now and save the difference for an upgrade a generation or two down the line. I still think the LCD technology hasn't reached full maturity/mass production yet, and a couple years should bring down prices dramatically.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
"Only thing I don't like about it is that seems to have the build of the old Apple Studio Displays, which I didn't care for. Flimsy. Almost like it could break. I'll have to see one in person and mess with it."
Just to chime in, I have used a 22" apple flat screen (not HD) for 2+ years and have transported it multiple times. Extremely solid. The plastic "stand" leg coming out of the back is much more durable than it looks. Absolutely no problems, cracks, dead pixels, etc. It was expensive at the time, but it has really delivered.
I've been tempted to upgrade to the 30" because it is such a mammoth and a great display is a high priority for me--but the fact is that 22 inches really is big enough for me for my FCP/DVDSP editing. I've played with the 30" and it is cool, but I almost think it is too big if that is possible. I think I'd rather put that money into RAM or buy a bargain now and save the difference for an upgrade a generation or two down the line. I still think the LCD technology hasn't reached full maturity/mass production yet, and a couple years should bring down prices dramatically.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i have 3 17" nec's now and i'm tempted to get 2 biggers screens instead because the choices for 3 monitor dvi cards isn't great.
i have a friend who is an acer (they make benq) so i'm going to have him see how much 2 FP231W benq's are.
i saw that monster apple one.
2 23" ones should be amost as good...
matthew
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
i have 3 17" nec's now and i'm tempted to get 2 biggers screens instead because the choices for 3 monitor dvi cards isn't great.
i have a friend who is an acer (they make benq) so i'm going to have him see how much 2 FP231W benq's are.
i saw that monster apple one.
2 23" ones should be amost as good...
matthew
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
I have the DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect and I love it. I've had it for about 4 months and I've had no problems with it. It has amazing specs on it and sometimes they have it for as low as $549. For a monitor like this, the price is beyond good. I know mac users really like to stay way from non mac stuff but this is ALOT cheaper then the apple monitor. On WWW.DEALNEWS.COM they show this on sale when it comes out. Here is more info on the monitor:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...ew&sku=320-4111&c=us&l=en&cs=04&page=external
Hope this helps!!! Good Luck!!!
Re: Apple Studio Display 20" vs. 23" vs.
I have the DELL UltraSharp 2005FPW 20.1-inch Wide Aspect and I love it. I've had it for about 4 months and I've had no problems with it. It has amazing specs on it and sometimes they have it for as low as $549. For a monitor like this, the price is beyond good. I know mac users really like to stay way from non mac stuff but this is ALOT cheaper then the apple monitor. On WWW.DEALNEWS.COM they show this on sale when it comes out. Here is more info on the monitor:
http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/...ew&sku=320-4111&c=us&l=en&cs=04&page=external
Hope this helps!!! Good Luck!!!