"Apple pushes the reset button on the Mac Pro"

How has one of the most insignificant, ancillary details generated so many posts? It's in the context of a laundry list of items that are unaffected by its presence or absence regardless, and takes nothing away from the reality of what happen. I'll merely say the point isn't if it works (I still have both on my laptop!) the point is that in 2011 Apple declared it was "strongly not recommended" per their support document, and when emailed if you were having a problem, you were referred to the document as your sole resource because that installation was "no longer officially supported." It can be a massive problem when software has to be installed in a certain order. That was my personal experience. That is repeated on forums if one cares to search.

It's a minor problem in the grand scheme. Drop it if it bothers you, but the point is that it was a minor part of the huge problems when Apple launched FCPX was they launched a largely incomplete, surprisingly incompetent piece of "pro" software under the precedent that it would replace FCP7 entirely. It absolutely couldn't, and it offered no smooth upgrade path for pros (no project imports, and FCP7 discontinued immediately, etc.). If Adobe did that today, people would raise hell - as they should.

The intent of my post was to point out the simple fact that stating FCPX was a great piece of pro software missing a few features and implying in any way that Apple took good care of its pro community in that process is perhaps one of the most egregiously optimistic rewritings of history any Apple pro-user or fan could make.

And yes, I am still an Apple fan - just one who has since moved on from their pro offerings and would take an awful lot of winning over to woo back. Which is really what the thread is about. Let's just not pretend their shift in attitude is from imaginary or overstated past mistakes, it's well called for and far overdue!
 
filmguy123 said:
The intent of my post was to point out the simple fact that stating FCPX was a great piece of pro software missing a few features and implying in any way that Apple took good care of its pro community in that process is perhaps one of the most egregiously optimistic rewritings of history any Apple pro-user or fan could make.
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Amen.
 
Thomas Smet said:
Are you one of those that jumped on the hate FCPX bandwagon without even giving it a try? FCPX may have missed a couple of key features when it first came out but it is now a solid well built NLE.
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I tried to use FCPX 10.0.1 when it first came out. I was hopeful that it was as "radical" and "innovative" as the Apple Acolytes said it was. But no multi-cam, no XML, no roundtrip to Soundtrack Pro or Color, no DVD authoring, could not import layered Photoshop files, confusing media management scheme... And you could not open old FCP7 files in it. No deal. The writing was on the wall. Time to move on.

I understand that it's improved since then. For those who waited and hoped, and waited some more... congratulations, your faith is strong. Now you just need to wait and hope, and wait some more for the new new Mac Pro. Just keep the faith.

So I ask again, who is more adventurous, flexible, and self-reliant: those who waited, hoped, and prayed patiently for Apple to give them what they needed, or those who went outside Steve's closed-system garden and found what they needed themselves?
 
Benjobe said:
I tried to use FCPX 10.0.1 when it first came out. I was hopeful that it was as "radical" and "innovative" as the Apple Acolytes said it was. But no multi-cam, no XML, no roundtrip to Soundtrack Pro or Color, no DVD authoring, could not import layered Photoshop files, confusing media management scheme... And you could not open old FCP7 files in it. No deal. The writing was on the wall. Time to move on.

I understand that it's improved since then. For those who waited and hoped, and waited some more... congratulations, your faith is strong. Now you just need to wait and hope, and wait some more for the new new Mac Pro. Just keep the faith.

So I ask again, who is more adventurous, flexible, and self-reliant: those who waited, hoped, and prayed patiently for Apple to give them what they needed, or those who went outside Steve's closed-system garden and found what they needed themselves?
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Why in the world would you think anyone would need to 'wait and hope and wait some more'?
I run FCP X 10.3 (newest version) right now on my 2009 Mac Pro. Speedy and works great.
 
jbregar said:
"Abused" ... ?

They failed to make a product that fit your needs. They didn't come to your house and beat the crap out of you every day for a week. Let's get some perspective here and drop the melodrama.
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I'll admit that I have strong feelings about this issue. But to be clear: neglect is abuse.

FCPX 10.0.1 neglected the FCP7 professionals who counted on certain functionality.

But you're right. Steve Jobs didn't send the cops to my home. I mean, Steve would never sic the cops on someone like that, right?

https://techcrunch.com/2010/04/26/t...d-gizmodo-editors-house-confiscate-computers/
 
Batutta said:
LOL...Yeah, I learned to edit 16mm film on moviolas. Then upgraded to the video toaster. Then learned the AVID. Then Adobe Premiere. Then Final Cut Pro....FCPX was the first time I said NOPE, not an improvement.
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I shot & cut super-8 and super-16 in film school on old moviolas, bolexes, and arriflexes; recorded & edited sound on a reel-to-reel 1/4" tape NAGRA; and that was in 2005. So there are still some dinosaurs out there still.

I taught myself FCP 5 and then later FCP Studio. Now it's Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Resolve. Who knows what we'll be using in another 10 years... for some people it will still be FCPX.
 
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Benjobe said:
I'll admit that I have strong feelings about this issue. But to be clear: neglect is abuse.
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By that token, I've been "abused" by a number of companies because they neglected to make a product that I totally wanted or stopped making a product I found useful. Get a grip, it's not abuse... it's making (or not) products.

FCPX 10.0.1 neglected the FCP7 professionals who counted on certain functionality.
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And yet, oddly... they could continue to use their FCP7 software until they found another alternative. Not really abuse. Does it suck for those who need to change their workflow? Yes... But it's not abuse by any means.

Also, expecting Apple to continue two codebases for any appreciable amount of time is counter to nearly their entire history with Jobs at the helm. You really can't act astonished that they burned the boats on Final Cut Pro too. It's how they do business and had been for quite a while at that point.

But you're right. Steve Jobs didn't send the cops to my home. I mean, Steve would never sic the cops on someone like that, right?

https://techcrunch.com/2010/04/26/t...d-gizmodo-editors-house-confiscate-computers/
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I really hope you can understand the difference between a house being raided because someone stole one of Apple's prototypes and Apple discontinuing a piece of software. What an asinine comparison.
 
I knew from FCPX initial days that this is going to be a great software and in couple of years, people will regret having moved away from FCPX. FCPX is becoming better and better with each update. The FCPX that we have now is radically better than the FCPX 10.0.1. Now it is a case of people resisting the urge to comeback, so they will continue to attack FCPX and apple for sometime. Given how fast FCPX even on a macbook pro, the writing is on the wall. Either give in to your ego and stay away and keep on abusing FCPX in online forums such as this or move in and embrace FCPX for a fast and smooth workflow. The choice is pretty simple.
 
filmguy123 said:
The intent of my post was to point out the simple fact that stating FCPX was a great piece of pro software missing a few features and implying in any way that Apple took good care of its pro community in that process is perhaps one of the most egregiously optimistic rewritings of history any Apple pro-user or fan could make.
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The biggest mistake Apple made was expecting 'Pro' users to behave like professionals instead of neurotic school children who had just had their lunch money taken away.

FCS did not stop working the moment FCPX but one of the biggest complaints at the time was wah wah wah my old projects don't work in my new NLE! The solution was blindingly simple was it not? Use FCS for your old projects and migrate over to FCPX once it met your needs. We immediately started using FCPX to manage our database of previous work and in-house stock footage. It was transformative right from the outset.

One of the things FCPX did immediately was to confront the notion that non linear editing should be a 'techie' task where 'knob jockeys' rule over the creatives. The stripping out of all the old tape based anachronisms left an extremely efficient, user friendly and clean application that simplified the task of editing to the point a complete novice could pick it up and this was what really caused the ire of the so-called industry professional. Apple had the audacity to pull the rug from underneath the video editor who had made a career out of pretending the task was difficult and plenty of them vented their spleen on social media calling it iMovie Pro, or FCX and some completely throwing their toys out the pram and moving out of spite to that heinous bloatware Adobe makes. I cannot believe anyone really uses Premiere out of choice so spite has to be the reason.

FCPX has rapidly acquired more and more features and not once has that resulted in the App feeling bloated and each of the new features have been class leading in their implementation. All these new features perfectly integrated onto the best example of NLE media management which can be setup to be as granular as the user desires. I couldn't believe some were criticising FCPX for not having bins!

To suggest FCPX wasn't a Pro level piece of software when it was released merely confirms a person's lack of understanding of the fundamental change that was happening to professional video production. Apple had obviously seen the trend years before and decided on a different plan and deliver the highest performance NLE for the new era of tapeless cameras, a much more diverse professional user base and the explosion of video on social media. Again this forced the 'industry professional' to confront the fact that maybe editing dreary Hitler documentaries for some no mark satellite station wasn't what it was all cracked up to be and there were much more exiting uses of video round the corner and soon to be extremely lucrative.

Bully for you if you're one of a handful of feature film editors and you're forced to use Avid and think that determine you as being 'Pro' the kids are growing up looking at the likes of Marques Brownlee and Casey Neistat earning millions on YouTube and wanting to be like them, i'm sure we can all remember when Youtuber was used as a sleight meaning you weren't a 'Pro'.

I do believe the performance of FCPX has rather informed Apple that the Mac Pro is a computer with an ever decreasing market as many will already know editing 4k on a modern MBP or iMac is a smooth as butter, an order of magnitude better than using Adobe Bloatware. I don't think a new Mac Pro will be a great seller what ever its spec for many people I know the MBP is the Mac Pro. Apple should stop being ridiculous with thinness and make the MBP as powerful as humanly possible with a decent battery life, I know that's what my nephews both want who are the next gen.
 
Nirv said:
The solution was blindingly simple was it not? Use FCS for your old projects and migrate over to FCPX once it met your needs.
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The problem with that is that it was actually more painful (in terms of learning curve and getting used to a new world) to move from FCP7 to FCPX than to Premiere. And a lot of people actually like Premiere (me included).

And the reason "the industry" took that Apple move so badly is that it destroyed the sense that you could plan your business around Apple's products. Lots of plug-in makers found out about FCPX the same day the public did.
 
Samuel H said:
The problem with that is that it was actually more painful (in terms of learning curve and getting used to a new world) to move from FCP7 to FCPX than to Premiere. And a lot of people actually like Premiere (me included).

And the reason "the industry" took that Apple move so badly is that it destroyed the sense that you could plan your business around Apple's products. Lots of plug-in makers found out about FCPX the same day the public did.
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Exactly.
 
Nirv said:
The biggest mistake Apple made was expecting 'Pro' users to behave like professionals instead of neurotic school children who had just had their lunch money taken away.
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I think this ranks among the most offensive statements I have ever read on this board.

It is my personal belief that Apple products are mostly used by people who don't know how to tie their own shoelaces but I will admit having been proven wrong about that from time to time. However, the above statement does not provide any such proof.

It also cuts off any further discussion rather effectively.
 
Networker said:
It is my personal belief that Apple products are mostly used by people who don't know how to tie their own shoelaces but I will admit having been proven wrong about that from time to time.
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That's nonsense! I don't even have shoes with laces!
 
Out on a limb here, but...

Out on a limb here, but...

Networker said:
I think this ranks among the most offensive statements I have ever read on this board.

It is my personal belief that Apple products are mostly used by people who don't know how to tie their own shoelaces but I will admit having been proven wrong about that from time to time. However, the above statement does not provide any such proof.

It also cuts off any further discussion rather effectively.
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... I'm going to guess that spotting irony is not one of your strengths. What's the old saying? Something about the "pot calling the kettle...."
 
Networker said:
I think this ranks among the most offensive statements I have ever read on this board.
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You obviously haven't read much if that is your marker for offense.....:2vrolijk_08:

You then jump in with some offense of your own. Irony indeed. (BTW, I'm an expert at tying shoelaces, especially doing it backwards for children, and I'm simultaneously an expert Apple user. Haven't as yet tried doing both at the same time.)
 
stoneinapond said:
You obviously haven't read much if that is your marker for offense.....:2vrolijk_08:

You then jump in with some offense of your own. Irony indeed. (BTW, I'm an expert at tying shoelaces, especially doing it backwards for children, and I'm simultaneously an expert Apple user. Haven't as yet tried doing both at the same time.)
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Isn't there an app for that?
 
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