Peter C.
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I found at least a partial answer to the locations https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207264
You would make hidden folders visible and search those locations. Still a pain and should have a more well thought out method.
Apple dumps Intel and shows Final Cut Pro on new Mac with Apple CPU !
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I found at least a partial answer to the locations https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207264
You would make hidden folders visible and search those locations. Still a pain and should have a more well thought out method.
stoneinapond
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Thanks for the response. Unfortunately the details in the Apple Support page don't match any of my Finder searches. Perhaps different OS? Anyway, the whole issue will become moot if the subscription model prevails (I hope not).
NorBro
Major Contributor
Check out CleanMyMac if interested (there's a free trial).
I'm sure there are other good ones but this one has been around forever (part of the MacPaw family).
https://cleanmymac.macpaw.com
[There's a sophisticated uninstalling section part of the software.]
I'm sure there are other good ones but this one has been around forever (part of the MacPaw family).
https://cleanmymac.macpaw.com
[There's a sophisticated uninstalling section part of the software.]
Peter C.
Veteran
Hidden files/folders don't show up in Finder searches. You need to carefully navigate to those locations and between different FCP and OS versions they can be in different locations. In Big Sur latest OS at least the built in plugins are found with in the container of the Application but 3rd party plugin probably would be stored elsewhere up to the discretion of the 3rd party. Probably contacting them would give you answer you'd need.
stoneinapond
Veteran
Thanks for the suggestion. Possibly my attempt to use the free trial was flawed, but I couldn't get it to work without being constantly prompted to upgrade to a paid version.
Peter C.
Veteran
That’s actually a common and misleading tactic that they use with free or trial software. It’s free to download, install, and run, but it can’t complete any task unless you pay for it. For file recovery software that’s ok because you want to see if it can find the delete files before buying it. In this case there is no harm leaving plug-ins alone. Many of these cleaning apps make unsubstantiated claims that they’ll speed up an old computer.
NorBro
Major Contributor
It's SOP in the cluttered software landscape.
Likes of Adobe and Apple can afford to provide fully-functioning trials for a month, but smaller companies who make a product like the above which literally has one task - scanning and deleting - aren't in a position to let you use it for free. [Maybe one scan and deletion would be nice.]
For file recovery, it's only okay if you can see an entire preview of the recovered file (mostly applies to video clips as pictures usually have a preview).
Many years ago I paid $125 or so for some random recovery software only to learn all of the recovered files had aimless corruption (black screen).
Nevertheless...the manual method recommended above by Apple (with additional end-user exploring) solves the problem.
Likes of Adobe and Apple can afford to provide fully-functioning trials for a month, but smaller companies who make a product like the above which literally has one task - scanning and deleting - aren't in a position to let you use it for free. [Maybe one scan and deletion would be nice.]
For file recovery, it's only okay if you can see an entire preview of the recovered file (mostly applies to video clips as pictures usually have a preview).
Many years ago I paid $125 or so for some random recovery software only to learn all of the recovered files had aimless corruption (black screen).
Nevertheless...the manual method recommended above by Apple (with additional end-user exploring) solves the problem.
Peter C.
Veteran
Update on my Plugin issue:
For templates created in Motion the best place to put them is in the Movies folders. If you don't have Motion installed these folders don't exist. I was missing the final piece of the puzzle that not only do the folders need to be created they need to be assigned an extension.
https://fcpxtemplates.com/installing-plugins-for-fcpx/
It still ended up being a pain because after moving them out of the Application to the Movie folder I had to redo every where I used them in a project because they wouldn't relink to the new location. Going forward I now have a better understanding how custom Motion templates work with FCP.
For templates created in Motion the best place to put them is in the Movies folders. If you don't have Motion installed these folders don't exist. I was missing the final piece of the puzzle that not only do the folders need to be created they need to be assigned an extension.
https://fcpxtemplates.com/installing-plugins-for-fcpx/
It still ended up being a pain because after moving them out of the Application to the Movie folder I had to redo every where I used them in a project because they wouldn't relink to the new location. Going forward I now have a better understanding how custom Motion templates work with FCP.
Peter C.
Veteran
It makes sense since iMac Pro price/performance didn't compare well to the newer version of the regular iMac. So the M1X will be reserved for the Pro line. That might be bad news for anyone who thought Apple would use m1x for the rest of line of computers.
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ahalpert
Major Contributor
Yeah, I am hoping to buy an iMac with an M1X. The M1 would be a step up from what I'm currently using for sure, but I was thinking that whatever the more powerful processor in the line is could last me longer. Here's hoping...
Peter C.
Veteran
If the current price for the iMac Pro is $5,000 I'd assume the M1X Pro would be priced accordingly. To me that's a lot of money no matter how good the performance. So depends how much speed you need and how deep your pockets are.
JAMedia
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Add in that these New macs are ALL Apple parts and are only likely to be able to get repairs from Official Apple Shops it is not good.
Also you are stuck with what ever Apple decides to do. However they decide to implement it, For what ever Apple want to charge.
Seems a bit immoral to me.... (ahalpert you want to discuss morality again?
) This is why I have moved to PC's more power for a lower cost, using a lot more standard components that I can mix and match from multiple sources.
Considering even when they were using Intel, the parts were mostly soldered on the mainboard... the M1 hardware hasn't really changed that at all. If your Intel MacBook Pro blows a CPU or GPU, you're still buying the part from Apple... since it's largely bespoke hardware using standard parts upstream.
Computers, for better or worse, are largely following the phone/iPad/etc. model where the device is more of an appliance than some kind of system you put together yourself from parts from different vendors. There are both downsides and upsides to this approach and you have to make the decision that's best for you with that in mind. Also, appliance computers aren't exclusive to the Apple ecosystem. There are a lot of non-or-very-limited-upgradable pieces of gear on the Windows side as well.
As for morality, I don't think it's immoral at all to sell a product with constraints as long as those constraints are made clear up front. Apple's pretty clear on that one, so I don't see much of a moral problem there at all.
Computers, for better or worse, are largely following the phone/iPad/etc. model where the device is more of an appliance than some kind of system you put together yourself from parts from different vendors. There are both downsides and upsides to this approach and you have to make the decision that's best for you with that in mind. Also, appliance computers aren't exclusive to the Apple ecosystem. There are a lot of non-or-very-limited-upgradable pieces of gear on the Windows side as well.
As for morality, I don't think it's immoral at all to sell a product with constraints as long as those constraints are made clear up front. Apple's pretty clear on that one, so I don't see much of a moral problem there at all.
JAMedia
Well-known member
Except that over the last few years Apple have been changing all the standard IC's to slightly different Apple only IC's. This is quite apparent inthe power cct's where standard parts have been replaced with non standard parts that are not available to anyone bar Apple. There is no need to make many of these parts Apple specific other than to stop 3rd party repair shops. Something Apple has been trying to do for a while. by all accounts.
That simply isn't true. I have PC laptops O can swap out parts on. As for the Desktops..... all the parts are replaceable. I can do this to some extent on my 2012 and earlier Mac Pro's and MacBook Pro's but not any longer. Even going back to 2012 Mac's the parts you could change were limited.
So there are a few PC's that have followed the Apple trend. Most haven't.
That was a joke with ahalpert . Another thread where we had a 3 or 4 page side discussion on morality was not only closed down but deleted to protect the guilty moderator.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
so, I just bought a mac mini m1 16gb 256gb. I realized I was experiencing mission creep since my current machine is largely fast enough and I really just need a backup in case my machine dies in the middle of a fast turnaround edit. My other machine is a PC, so bringing the project over from FCPX could introduce unacceptable delays.
I had been thinking to get a new laptop - 13" seemed too small - go for the 16" - then I thought hey I can get more bang for the buck with an iMac - why not try remote desktop editing with the imac using my current MBP so I can still edit on the couch and wherever. But then hey why not just get the mac mini? Probably the best value option of all if, as Peter points out, you don't require an absolute speed demon. I was gonna get 1TB of internal storage but then I realized that if my machine dies, the fastest and easiest way to bring the project over to the other machine is if it was all stored on an external drive anyway.
Re: other people's points about upgradeability and customizability - I have a self-built PC that used to be a Hackintosh and part of the reason I came over to apple is because i want maximum stability/reliability with minimal fuss. I'm not a huge computer guy, and if anything breaks down it's a huge stressful headache for me. So, the thinking is that the tight control Apple has over the hardware and then the integration with FCPX makes it a more solid experience, even if I'm sacrificing a Ghz over what a similarly-priced PC could do for me. But I'm not sure that value equation even holds up over time, as numerous people report that their Macs last twice as long as their PCs.
Peter C.
Veteran
I think there are sufficient supply of the m1 mini that in a few days you could acquire a base model. There's open box for $600 on ebay among other options including traditional retailers. I've done the same thing in the past worry about backup solutions. I've come to the conclusion it's expensive insurance for a very unlikely event.
Thomas Smet
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The iMac Pro just didn't serve a huge purpose over the top iMac anymore. In many ways the 5700 XT is better than the Vega 64 and the 8 newer generation cores really hold their own except for the much higher core models.
The extra two TB3 ports and TB3 controller is a loss for sure but to be fair the whole eGPU concept died long before the M1 lack of support. Unless one used Resolve or Blender that could use the dedicated GPU and eGPU at the same time there was little to no reason to add a eGPU to the iMac Pro.
With the new TB3 hubs now coming out to add more TB3 ports the number of ports on the machine itself is no longer a must. A $3k top iMac and a $150 TB3 hub adds more Tb3 ports and still easily saves $2k. The extra bandwidth will be missed by some but unless one was adding a few eGPUs and super fast storage arrays it likely is not a loss for many. For those that need that level of bandwidth the Mac Pro is a much better choice now.
The extra two TB3 ports and TB3 controller is a loss for sure but to be fair the whole eGPU concept died long before the M1 lack of support. Unless one used Resolve or Blender that could use the dedicated GPU and eGPU at the same time there was little to no reason to add a eGPU to the iMac Pro.
With the new TB3 hubs now coming out to add more TB3 ports the number of ports on the machine itself is no longer a must. A $3k top iMac and a $150 TB3 hub adds more Tb3 ports and still easily saves $2k. The extra bandwidth will be missed by some but unless one was adding a few eGPUs and super fast storage arrays it likely is not a loss for many. For those that need that level of bandwidth the Mac Pro is a much better choice now.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
Unexpected computer death is a frighteningly realistic possibility when you have 2 small children. But even if I weren't living with 2 saboteurs, it seems prudent to have an instant hand-off backup if my internal SSD dies, for example. I have like a 4-hour turnaround on Thursday between a live auction and a video recap launch, so a $1k mac mini seems like a small price to pay to guarantee I don't blow the job and possibly lose the client. Getting a faster machine for less money than my last one cost is the icing on the cake.