Apple dumps Intel and shows Final Cut Pro on new Mac with Apple CPU !

[ahalpert]

I'm not sure anyone will agree with this opinion, but for what/how I edit now, my interface is diminishingly important because most of the work happens in my imagination. The creative choices of what/how to do the edit are the most important and time-consuming. And the more time I spend thinking and the less time I spend tapping on the keyboard, the faster the edit goes (assuming that I did a thorough job reviewing/logging footage, which is the main reason I can cut so much faster than I used to.) Making a wrong turn can waste so much time.

For grading/compositing/animating, it's great great to have a better interface and more screen real estate. But I could personally do 90% of my editing on a 13" screen or a plane without a problem. Of course, everyone has different types of projects

 

[filmguy123]

You need first class or some kind of nice business option to be able to really sink into editing. Not only for concentration but elbow room as well. It's difficult to edit in coach...best case scenario is sitting by the aisle next to someone who favors the window while sleeping.

Good point. Usually when I found myself in business I party too hard with "big screen", reclining seat, and free champaigne, lol. Maybe I'll try editing sometime... if we all ever fly again.

 

[puredrifting]

I can't think clearly enough on the smaller laptop screens to be truly productive. Or in a pressurized airplane cabin for that matter. Maybe my body is sensitive to it, but I always used to grossly over-estimate my planned productivity in flight. My head feels too stuffy on a plane, so the combo of both is rough. The difference between a 15" screen and being at home on a triple monitor setup with large screens is night and day difference for the creative flow as well as the technical side of things. At least for me, it frees the mind to think more freely and creatively when everything is large, open, laid out - I can get into a flow state that way.

That said I always edit on the road and find it essentially - but for me, it's always more the logging/organizing/rough cutting and the general big picture stuff, plus some tinkering with technical things to dial in initial looks or what not. I've never been able to truly get into an edit and actually finish something meaningful on an airplane.

Exactly, you expressed my thoughts better than I did. It's not that I can't edit on a 13" screen, it's why the heck would I want to when I could edit on a couple of 27" screens? With a laptop, I always feel like windows are tiny and crucial info is hidden. It's okay for simple iMovie style just slamming something together for a rough but for finishing an edit, laptops kinds of suck for me, that's why I am still rocking my 2011 MBP. I've replaced the battery myself, the keyboard and added an SSD internal, it's fine for everything but editing and I have not felt the need to replace it yet.
Productivity of any kind while flying is rough. I'm 6' 1" so being sardined into a coach seat is uncomfortable enough, then trying to take out a laptop, ear buds and sometimes an external drive, then move them for a meal or snack, then move them back and concentrate is tough on a plane.

 

[Clermond]

I am 6' 8" and I know every nightmare of tight spaces . For me there's a lot I can do when traveling even with a 13" book: reviewing footage, to index with keywords, make selections. I have done a lot of edits in boarding areas and hotel rooms. Not so much in the tight space of a seat in economy.

 

[NorBro]

So then we found something you're a pro at...height. :2vrolijk_08:

 

[Guest]

I guess it depends on what level you edit at, and how complex, big, messy and sprawling your projects are, editing on the road versus back at the office, etc. For me and for the pro editors I work with, 13" screen is just not enough real estate to see what you are doing,
but yes, hooking up an external monitor would help but then I am wondering why not just use my iMac 27", which I love so much I now have two of them, a 2018 and a 2020, if it's editing in the office.

I guess if full travel was back in effect possibly, great size for editing on a plane but I haven't edited on a plane in years, although I used to quite often. The 26 hour flight to Cape Town gave me enough time to edit an entire show ;-) and then review dailies of what I shot in South Africa on the way back.
To me, the whole editing on a laptop in your office seems counterintuitive, even with external monitors, I like the iMac too much.

Dedicated editors know what they need.


Just saying that there is another video pro that might like a 13" for its light footprint and versatility. An iMac is better for editing than a 13"MBP plugged into a monitor, but an iMac can't go out in the field as easily.


Again, I am looking at it from a DP perspective. Not an editor's. I have too many bags and cases to carry to care about the extra real estate on a laptop sometimes. Plus, a 13" prevents me from occasionally taking on editing gigs. Helps keep editing money going to real editors. :thumbs up:

 

[Run&Gun]

I feel sorry for you guys. I’m 5’ 7” and feel cramped in coach. I always choose an aisle seat so that I can at least lean out into “the open” a little.

Side note: I just flew last weekend, for the first time in almost exactly a year. It was bad enough before COVID, but it’s even worse, now. American is a f u c k i n g Greyhound bus in the sky. I flew to the west coast and there was no food/beverage service. As you board, they hand you a ziplock bag with a kid size mini bottle of water(you know, the ones that look like they cut 2/3rds of a regular bottle off, threw it away and put a cap on the leftover 1/3rd), a biscotti cookie and a hand wipe. Plus they pack as many mother f u c k i n g passengers on the plane as they can. No empty seats. And the have the gall to have signs all around the terminals stating that passenger health is their top priority. If I wouldn’t lose almost a million miles and even more people would then be out of work, I’d pray for them to collapse into bankruptcy and never return.

 

[Guest]

Exactly, you expressed my thoughts better than I did. It's not that I can't edit on a 13" screen, it's why the heck would I want to when I could edit on a couple of 27" screens? With a laptop, I always feel like windows are tiny and crucial info is hidden. It's okay for simple iMovie style just slamming something together for a rough but for finishing an edit, laptops kinds of suck for me, that's why I am still rocking my 2011 MBP. I've replaced the battery myself, the keyboard and added an SSD internal, it's fine for everything but editing and I have not felt the need to replace it yet.
Productivity of any kind while flying is rough. I'm 6' 1" so being sardined into a coach seat is uncomfortable enough, then trying to take out a laptop, ear buds and sometimes an external drive, then move them for a meal or snack, then move them back and concentrate is tough on a plane.

Fun tip for cramped flight editing, slap a piece of velcro (or hook n loop) onto the back of your laptop screen, and the other piece onto you SSD or HDD, and stick that to the back of your screen.

I've actually never been able to edit on a plane, but with the increased battery life I may go through footage while flying more often now. (assuming after things truly start opening up)

 

[Guest]

Good point. Usually when I found myself in business I party too hard with "big screen", reclining seat, and free champaigne, lol. Maybe I'll try editing sometime... if we all ever fly again.

Hear! Hear!

 

[puredrifting]

I feel sorry for you guys. I’m 5’ 7” and feel cramped in coach. I always choose an aisle seat so that I can at least lean out into “the open” a little.

Side note: I just flew last weekend, for the first time in almost exactly a year. It was bad enough before COVID, but it’s even worse, now. American is a f u c k i n g Greyhound bus in the sky. I flew to the west coast and there was no food/beverage service. As you board, they hand you a ziplock bag with a kid size mini bottle of water(you know, the ones that look like they cut 2/3rds of a regular bottle off, threw it away and put a cap on the leftover 1/3rd), a biscotti cookie and a hand wipe. Plus they pack as many mother f u c k i n g passengers on the plane as they can. No empty seats. And the have the gall to have signs all around the terminals stating that passenger health is their top priority. If I wouldn’t lose almost a million miles and even more people would then be out of work, I’d pray for them to collapse into bankruptcy and never return.

Just flew United from LAX to Denver a few weeks ago. Same story, same BS, it was not a pleasant experience. I think unless you pay the BIG bucks, they are all just sky buses now. My flights both ways, we were packed like Sardines, so much for social distancing.
I actually like Southwest the best because there is no pretense that they are not a bus with wings. Their boarding is better, staff are generally cooler too. United, American, Delta, they all suck. BA, Air France and Virgin Atlantic are all still leagues better.

 

[Guest]

haha...that is pretty much brand new.

My 2015 MBP has 580 cycles.

The MBA was really glued to my hip, which is why such an upcoming powerful and lightweight/thin MBA has me lit up.

True, I keep thinking about the MBP13, but the MBA is kind of no joke either. I guess, the MBP13 just has more ports is all, and a bit more horse power, should I need to review 8K raw playback smoothly.

 

[ahalpert]

Fun tip for cramp flight editing, slap a piece of valor (or hook n loop) onto the back of your laptop screen, and the other piece onto you SSD or HDD, and stick that to the back of your screen.

Another reason to work with proxies right on your internal SSD!

I was shooting a livestream last week and got a rush request from a different client to do some overnight tweaks on their edit. I had my laptop with me with their proxies onboard and so I completed most of their request in the downtime between rehearsal and broadcast. Clutch!

 

[Guest]

You need first class or some kind of nice business option to be able to really sink into editing. Not only for concentration but elbow room as well. It's difficult to edit in coach...best case scenario is sitting by the aisle next to someone who favors the window while sleeping.

Between all the gear and check ins, there have been times that first class was about the same price as paying for coach and checked overweight bags. So, I often look at first class options, even if I don't need it. Because it can occasionally actually be economical. lol.

 

[Guest]

Another reason to work with proxies right on your internal SSD!

I was shooting a livestream last week and got a rush request from a different client to do some overnight tweaks on their edit. I had my laptop with me with their proxies onboard and so I completed most of their request in the downtime between rehearsal and broadcast. Clutch!

If your laptop does not have velcro on the lid to patch dongles and drives onto, you gotta try it. great for on the go stuff. no more juggling.

just google: hard drive laptop velcro

 

[NorBro]

True, I keep thinking about the MBP13, but the MBA is kind of no joke either. I guess, the MBP13 just has more ports is all, and a bit more horse power, should I need to review 8K raw playback smoothly.

Both computers have the same amount of ports (two that double in functionality) and a headphone jack.

Where they differ in favor for the MBP is screen brightness (500 vs 400 nits), better speakers, battery life (extra 2 hours) and a fan (for most likely better performance gains if you're trying to squeeze every last bit out for long rendering/processing).

The MBP also has a Touch Bar if that's a good thing.

 

[Guest]

Both computers have the same amount of ports.

Where they differ in favor for the MBP is screen brightness (500 vs 400 nits), better speakers, battery life (extra 2 hours) and a fan (for most likely better performance gains if you're trying to squeeze every last bit out for long rendering/processing).

The MBP also has a Touch Bar if that's a good thing.

Oh, very cool. I had thought the Air was going towards less ports.

Ironically, the fan (the thing that pushes "air") may be the thing that would push me towards the MBP13.

 

[NorBro]

As far as juggling, dangling drives - this is something I think I can write a book about, ha.

These days, I am really into editing on the internal system when possible.

Back in the day it was a sin to keep your "scratch" on the same drive as your applications, but I think it's old ideology these days.

Computers/drives are so fast that any I/O bottlenecks are not noticeable, IMO. As long as you're not filling your drive up 100% and running 10 different intensive apps, a small project with 200-300GB of footage on a 512GB with just FCP open is A-OKAY.

Still...eventually I'd love to see some very fast thumb drives. Maybe TB4.

 

[NorBro]

This thing actually looks pretty sweet (if you can use Type-A)...haven't check these in a while:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...puting_owcenvmku3st01_1tb_envoy_pro_mini.html

 

[NorBro]

lol, yeah I was going to update the post (with a bigger internal drive) but didn't...I started thinking some people probably shoot a few TBs in a day, but then they are probably also not editing all of that on a MacBook Air.

[Post above was deleted if it sounds like I'm talking to myself.]

 

[Guest]

As far as juggling, dangling drives - this is something I think I can write a book about, ha.

These days, I am really into editing on the internal system when possible.

Back in the day it was a sin to keep your "scratch" on the same drive as your applications, but I think it's old ideology these days.

Computers/drives are so fast that any I/O bottlenecks are not noticeable, IMO. As long as you're not filling your drive up 100% and running 10 different intensive apps, a small project with 200-300GB of footage on a 512GB with just FCP open is A-OKAY.

Still...eventually I'd love to see some very fast thumb drives. Maybe TB4.

Yes, but I think pro editors already know what works for them.

For me, I am handing footage off more often than editing anything, so I am pretty much using all external everything, and keep templates and references on the internal. Definitely a different workflow than what a pro editor might use.


And as I mentioned in the post I deleted, yeah, sometimes I shoot 1TB in a day, and a project might be several TB. So, an internal drive, has its limitations for me, personally. Even if I were editing.