Apple dumps Intel and shows Final Cut Pro on new Mac with Apple CPU !

But what would the advantage be to editing on an ipad?

Differences beneath the hood aside, an ipad is just a touchscreen macbook with no built-in keyboard/mouse and fewer ports. It has a portability advantage which is its raison d'être but is the size of a MBP going to prevent anyone from traveling and editing with it? Not sure if I see the import, even if you can do everything on an ipad that you can do on an mbp
 
filmguy123 said:
Regarding 3 billion out of 75 billion, it's the wrong way of looking at it. This is a blow to Intel not primarily by virtue of losing perhaps 5% of its revenue stream from Apple in a couple years time. It's a blow by virtue of Apple beginning a revolution of mainstream developers coding PC desktop apps for the ARM platform. There's been a chicken/egg scenario for a long time here on ARM vs X86 architecture. Apple is essentially fronting the risk and burden of pushing the desktop software industry to a dual platform X86/ARM coding base.

It's more complicated than that, but let's watch and see additional windows machines move to ARM based platforms in coming years as that becomes more viable. As we know, I think we'll see Adobe, Davinci, MS Office, - and a whole lot more - all supporting ARM/X86 instructions on Win/OS11. Meaning it's not what Intel loses from Apple, it's the down-the-chain loses of more and more manufactures having the option to build non intel based windows PCs.
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But then maybe they would end their focus there altogether. I imagine it's not going to be fun competing with Apple moving forward.

Maybe there is other future technology to be made and focused on...something in AI or ML.
 
ahalpert said:
But what would the advantage be to editing on an ipad?

Differences beneath the hood aside, an ipad is just a touchscreen macbook with no built-in keyboard/mouse and fewer ports. It has a portability advantage which is its raison d'être but is the size of a MBP going to prevent anyone from traveling and editing with it? Not sure if I see the import, even if you can do everything on an ipad that you can do on an mbp
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Yeah, as much as I am excited about iPhone/iPad video production, I really, really need a hard physical keyboard to be attached to a screen.

If a MBA/MBP is just as powerful, I never see that changing. I think it's an inconvenience to edit like that (unless it's extremely simple).

When chips in the brain will allow you to edit by just looking at the screen, I'll feel differently about it.
 
filmguy123 said:
Regarding 3 billion out of 75 billion, it's the wrong way of looking at it. This is a blow to Intel not primarily by virtue of losing perhaps 5% of its revenue stream from Apple in a couple years time. It's a blow by virtue of Apple beginning a revolution of mainstream developers coding PC desktop apps for the ARM platform. There's been a chicken/egg scenario for a long time here on ARM vs X86 architecture. Apple is essentially fronting the risk and burden of pushing the desktop software industry to a dual platform X86/ARM coding base.
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You missed the point -- Intel isn't in trouble because Intel started diversifying quite a while ago, and when AMD started taking up its market share, it committed to expanding beyond processors. Intel will be fine.

I do expect Intel to lose a lot of market share in processors though... so does its CEO. Otherwise, he wouldn't have shifted direction to expanding into new markets rather than trying to retake the CPU crown.
 
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By the same token, however, Apple’s marketing overreach on that stupid claim shouldn’t lull anyone into ignoring this chip. It represents the most potent threat to x86 dominance that I’ve seen in my entire career.
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https://www.extremetech.com/computi...le-m1-beating-every-intel-powered-macbook-pro
 
Oh I'm not saying Intel won't be fine - they're a behemoth. They'll be totally "fine". I'm just saying, this is a bigger hit than simply losing Apple as a client (and 3 billion of revenue). It's the start of a quantum shift in the industry and X86 dominance is (very) slowly on the way out - it ain't going anywhere soon. But the ripples will be felt well beyond Apple.

As for editing on an iPad, that's not precisely what I mean. You're thinking of an iPad as you know it. What I am saying is, the iPad has been benchmarked by sites like anandtech. The cpu in there is desktop class, with nowhere to go... until now. Give it a couple years. You'll be buying a tablet with more power than today's M1 13" MBP Pro, and a CPU architecture that's compatible with full desktop class versions of apps. There's some work to be done on the OS software side, but I think a fusion of iPad OS and OS11 is inevitable (it's been slowly happening for years).

So yeah, on iPad in touch mode you'd use a mobile style iPad version of an NLE (and who wants that??) - but attach a keyboard/mouse to the iPad and it becomes essentially an 11" Macbook Pro with desktop class versions of OS11 apps. Add perhaps a big monitor, and you'll be working on a higher powered mobile workstation. Pull the iPad screen away and head out, auto switch back to the mobile version (or keep a portable mouse keyboard attached).

Suddenly the 12.9" iPad pro won't seem so ridiculous. Not sure at what point the transition will be, but later this decade a 16" Macbook Pro with a removeable, foldable screen that acts as a tablet seems inevitable. Maybe the tablet has fanless 8 cores, and when bridged with the keyboard/main laptop base it becomes a dual CPU 32-core system. Possibilities are endless. But computing as we know it is shifting big time.
 
NorBro said:
Yeah, as much as I am excited about iPhone/iPad video production, I really, really need a hard physical keyboard to be attached to a screen.

If a MBA/MBP is just as powerful, I never see that changing. I think it's an inconvenience to edit like that (unless it's extremely simple).

When chips in the brain will allow you to edit by just looking at the screen, I'll feel differently about it.
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it must just be me but editing on an iDevice, whether a phone or an iPad, will be a compromise for the foreseeable future. It's a growing market
but honestly, just IMHO, I don't see a lot of pro work being edited on iPad Pros. Agree with you, a physical keyboard is a must. I've tried tablets,
trackballs, etc. over the years but a keyboard still works best for me. But that new Resolve control unit does look intriguing. Jog wheel, drool.
 
ahalpert said:
But what would the advantage be to editing on an ipad?

Differences beneath the hood aside, an ipad is just a touchscreen macbook with no built-in keyboard/mouse and fewer ports. It has a portability advantage which is its raison d'être but is the size of a MBP going to prevent anyone from traveling and editing with it? Not sure if I see the import, even if you can do everything on an ipad that you can do on an mbp
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I'd love to see an intuitive touch screen editing interface that used touch and stylus(Apple Pencil). And if anyone can do it, it's Apple.
 
puredrifting said:
it must just be me but editing on an iDevice, whether a phone or an iPad, will be a compromise for the foreseeable future. It's a growing market
but honestly, just IMHO, I don't see a lot of pro work being edited on iPad Pros. Agree with you, a physical keyboard is a must. I've tried tablets,
trackballs, etc. over the years but a keyboard still works best for me. But that new Resolve control unit does look intriguing. Jog wheel, drool.
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One task they are going to be really great for is watching dailies.

Cameras and camera robots should be able to send all of their footage to multiple tablets. Maybe multiple people on set (director, producers, executives) will have their own - especially in a world in 2050 if everyone is still socially distancing - and be able to watch footage immediately or even live as it's being captured.

No wires, fast, high-quality, AI maybe makes edits/grades upon import...
 
filmguy123 said:
Oh I'm not saying Intel won't be fine - they're a behemoth. They'll be totally "fine". I'm just saying, this is a bigger hit than simply losing Apple as a client (and 3 billion of revenue). It's the start of a quantum shift in the industry and X86 dominance is (very) slowly on the way out - it ain't going anywhere soon. But the ripples will be felt well beyond Apple...
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That ARM was gaining on x86 in performance has been obvious for a long time. Apple did the "straw that not quite broke the camel's back" move visavis Intel but what it really did was to force Microsoft and Google into issuing similar systems and that's who Apple is really competing against rather than Qualcomm, Samsung, Marvell, NVIDIA, STM, Applied Micro, Broadcom, etc.

What Apple does get for its trouble is the ability to control both the hardware and the software sides (subject to the third party developers jumping on board in some markets). And that opens up the entire universe of applications, from very small portable electronics to the legacy home/business computers to the automotive to smart home appliances. Now, Apple can compete on all of these fronts. Others will respond but will have to form coalitions and alliances while Apple has it all under one hat.
 
Tamerlin said:
It's not the first version, it's the 12th. I don't expect bugs to be a problem, the question is whether or not Apple can deliver perfromance enough for professional use. A year ago the answer would have been "Lol!" but today the answer is a definite maybe.

IMO the deciding factor is going to be whether or not Apple's bean counters think it's worth the R&D effort and cost to develop the interconnects, cache coherency protocols, and so on for large scaleup like what AMD and Fujitsu have done.
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I don't think the silicon will have bugs, but the OS will have some, and software from third parties that don't have the resources to adapt their code in a hurry... that will have lots. I'm thinking printer drivers, FCPX plugins, little software tools, those kinds of things. I think we all remember the switch to 64-bits. Somewhere, someone is going to lose important data becase a card reader didn't have its driver correctly ported to ARM, or because a USB drive uses backup software that didn't get properly debugged after the update, and I wouldn't want that to be me.
 
Clermond said:
Thanks. I ordered the 13" MBP. Hopefully I get my 2018 15" sold before new big ones are announced.
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Can someone tell me if the 13" new apple chip MBP can handle nicely the new 8k files of EOS R5 and other 8k footage. I mean if you are selling the 2018 15" for a 13" then how much better is the new 13". Wonder why the new 13" doesn't have more than 16 gb
 
NorBro said:
One task they are going to be really great for is watching dailies.

Cameras and camera robots should be able to send all of their footage to multiple tablets. Maybe multiple people on set (director, producers, executives) will have their own - especially in a world in 2050 if everyone is still socially distancing - and be able to watch footage immediately or even live as it's being captured.

No wires, fast, high-quality, AI maybe makes edits/grades upon import...
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Heck, I use my iPad Mini now with the Accsoon CineEye and it works great as a monitor. I agree, good monitoring tool, terrible editing tool.
 
indiawilds said:
Can someone tell me if the 13" new apple chip MBP can handle nicely the new 8k files of EOS R5 and other 8k footage. I mean if you are selling the 2018 15" for a 13" then how much better is the new 13". Wonder why the new 13" doesn't have more than 16 gb
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I'll let you know when they ship next week or the week after!

And since the new MBA/P outperform the new 16" MBP, let's say it will be a lot better.

[I have a fully-loaded 2015 15" MBP that I thought about selling but it's just not worth it. Having another computer around is the better long-term investment.]
 
Some random thoughts in no particular order, many people are lamenting the loss of eGPU compatibility. The new M1 chip will not work with the existing fleet of eGPUs out there. I am pretty sure if Apple wanted compatibility it would have happened but perhaps the performance returns were not so great.
But what if most of us already have an external GPU or extra processor, could we plug in our iPhones or Ipads as the chips are related and can execute on the code.
Also, back in the day Apple producer a server, it was quite good but based on Intel tech. Now Apple has the golden product a fast low power chip ideally suited to server apps. I am sure Amazon etc who build their server farms near rivers to cool their server rooms will be looking on with great interest.
What will the big MacBook pro have, is there an M2 chip?

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