Preproduction is your friend.
Anything that can, Will go wrong!!!
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GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Hey! Hey!... everybody better play nice dammit! Last thing I need is for Jeremy closing my friggin thread. Along with all that debate why don't we add, "respect another man's house."
Actually i'm just kidding, you guys fight all you want, i'm finnally getting some responses on the threads that i open... who am i to be picky?
Mi casa es your casa boys.
Actually i'm just kidding, you guys fight all you want, i'm finnally getting some responses on the threads that i open... who am i to be picky?
Mi casa es your casa boys.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
lol wow... I do agree, get someone specific for sound. That's what I try to do, and have a guy I can trust to do a great job for me! 
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
What do you do about the depression that you feel as you witness your first movie look so amateurish?
Dammit I wish I was Harry Potter, now he would make one hell of a filmmaker, "Filmus - Post Productionus!"
Dammit I wish I was Harry Potter, now he would make one hell of a filmmaker, "Filmus - Post Productionus!"
dougspice
Veteran
wabbit, I understand if you're upset. No doubt you're a professional and treat your job seriously. But let's drop the derogatory tone, eh? You've just made an awful lot of assumptions about me that are worse than the ones I've already stated about certain members of your profession. Think about that.
I've taken a fair amount of sound training myself, not because it's a job I wanted to do, but because I was REQUIRED to in order to appreciate the importance of good sound. I have NEVER just handed the boom pole to any old person standing around set, nor have I then complained about the results. What I HAVE seen are several PAID PROFESSIONALS who were too lazy to care about doing their job right, too high on weed to maintain focus, or too stupid to realize maybe they should be using headphones to monitor sound. Stereotypes always have a source. Don't pretend like I'm the one to blame.
I was simply sharing my own disappointing experiences in finding people who treat their job seriously near the low-budget end of the spectrum. I didn't think it would lead to personal attacks and uninformed slander. I suppose the boom pole fits comfortably into that chip on your shoulder. If you want to start another thread about my incompetence as a producer (which you could certainly make a case for), please do. Or we could just accept the idea that I made a callous statement, you overreacted, and neither of us had any basis for pretending to know what the other guy is really all about.
I've taken a fair amount of sound training myself, not because it's a job I wanted to do, but because I was REQUIRED to in order to appreciate the importance of good sound. I have NEVER just handed the boom pole to any old person standing around set, nor have I then complained about the results. What I HAVE seen are several PAID PROFESSIONALS who were too lazy to care about doing their job right, too high on weed to maintain focus, or too stupid to realize maybe they should be using headphones to monitor sound. Stereotypes always have a source. Don't pretend like I'm the one to blame.
I was simply sharing my own disappointing experiences in finding people who treat their job seriously near the low-budget end of the spectrum. I didn't think it would lead to personal attacks and uninformed slander. I suppose the boom pole fits comfortably into that chip on your shoulder. If you want to start another thread about my incompetence as a producer (which you could certainly make a case for), please do. Or we could just accept the idea that I made a callous statement, you overreacted, and neither of us had any basis for pretending to know what the other guy is really all about.
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
:-BlackEye(DBG Care to counterpoint Wabbit? The Number is right--------------------------------------------:smiley_upthere
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
GlimmerGhost said:
Enjoy it for what it is! You should see my first movie! UGH!!!
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Is it posted Brandon? i'd love to look at it... might make me feel not so ronery.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
I can privately show you the full film, but to see a trailer go to www.noariceprod.com Click: One Step Ahead.
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Just saw it... sonofagun, i feel worse now... It looks much better than mine.
I kinda went overboard on the magic bulleting, cant undo and to start again would mean certain death.
Cue ravensedge
I kinda went overboard on the magic bulleting, cant undo and to start again would mean certain death.
Cue ravensedge
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Lol, its cool little buddy , i'm not really that sad.
I went too far and now I cant "Undo" that far back. It's ok, my next film will be shot on sunday and It will be better with out a doubt in my mind.
I hope.
, i'm not really that sad.I went too far and now I cant "Undo" that far back. It's ok, my next film will be shot on sunday and It will be better with out a doubt in my mind.
I hope.
wabbit
Evil has Ears
This:
is not helping your point of view. Remind me to pull that one out when I am discussing Jews, Muslims, Christens, women, or any group that I am not a part of. Of course it's easy to generalize about people different from you. My guess is you wouldn't/don't like it when those generalizations are applied to you.
Perhaps my point about a person being an incompetent producer was continuing to bait an arguement with you but it honestly was not my intention to be an attack directed at you but was meant to show that finding a good crew is the responsiblity of the producer/PM. If a producer hires a shi* crew then you fire the crew AND the producer. Blame may roll down but responsibility starts at the top.
But this:
If your sound guy is putting it there, that would be your first clue he is incompetent.
I am sorry for you difficulty with sound crew. I would suggest next time you get a resume and talk to some people that have worked with them before. Being drunk/high on a professional set is completely unacceptable and anyone that does that will get a reputation and be blacklisted quickly.
Apologies to everyone for temporary interrupting an otherwise usefull thread. In the future, I will let all comments coming from ignorance slide.
Cheers
dougspice said:
is not helping your point of view. Remind me to pull that one out when I am discussing Jews, Muslims, Christens, women, or any group that I am not a part of. Of course it's easy to generalize about people different from you. My guess is you wouldn't/don't like it when those generalizations are applied to you.
Perhaps my point about a person being an incompetent producer was continuing to bait an arguement with you but it honestly was not my intention to be an attack directed at you but was meant to show that finding a good crew is the responsiblity of the producer/PM. If a producer hires a shi* crew then you fire the crew AND the producer. Blame may roll down but responsibility starts at the top.
But this:
immediately followed by this:dougspice said:
is pretty much the definition of talking out of both sides of your mouth and definately baiting an arguement. Besides which the boom pole doesn't go on your shouldersdougspice said:
If your sound guy is putting it there, that would be your first clue he is incompetent.I am sorry for you difficulty with sound crew. I would suggest next time you get a resume and talk to some people that have worked with them before. Being drunk/high on a professional set is completely unacceptable and anyone that does that will get a reputation and be blacklisted quickly.
Apologies to everyone for temporary interrupting an otherwise usefull thread. In the future, I will let all comments coming from ignorance slide.
Cheers
Wabbit and Dougspice, continue your talk over PM's. This isn't fair to Glimmerghost.
Terry_Lasater
All about the Caption
dougspice said:
wtf, dougspice!!! Do you have a problem with old people?! Oh sure, old people often have diminished hearing but I'd never discriminate against them being my boom op.
Bwahahahahaaaa.... (just messin, fellas). :cheesy:
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Hats off to you sir:thumbsup:Isaac_Brody said:
GlimmerGhost
Well-known member
Whaat do you mean useful?! What are U implying?! Are you insinuating in some way that I created this thread for edification other than popularity?!!!!....?wabbit said:
You sir, are a cad.
:grin: Sorry, sorry, Terry got me going. Kisses to both Dougspice and Wabbit. :grin:
EDIT:
Thank you, i'll remember you at the Oscars. I'll be like, "Hey Tom [Cruise], I once knew this guy, man the was funny. Over at DVXuser.com"dougspice said:
And then Tom will be like, "That's all fine and good, but when are you gonna get my drinks?"
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Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
heeheehee! LOL!
insanityfw
Ban Me Please!
GlimmerGhost. I'm going to ignore the other politics cropping up and try and make you feel a little better in a round about sort of way.
Take how you're feeling doing, what I assume is a short for the horrorfest and stretch it to 96 minutes...now shoot it on film before the video revolution....then when you're done doing that throw in plenty of crappy shots and enough camera noise to make ADR a $5k line item in the budget...then add in camera problems, lens and battery issues....and then just when you think you're done take YOUR budget and work it into a number that equates to about $130k and you have my first film experience.
It's been about seven years and I'm still having trouble finding money and time to shoot projects to practice, but I keep on going because it's what I love, good or bad.
If you've shot something over a couple of days that didn't cost you thousands and thousands of dollars you get to come back and fight another day and then another and then another and with any luck you'll learn something from each one and apply it to the next. One day you will sit in front of your computer editing and realize that your shot selection isn't sucking ass...OK, maybe that one or two shots where Murphy's Law bit you on the ass, but then you suck up that lesson and keep on chugging.
Your ability to recognize that problems are going to happen whether you plan or not, will just make you a better planner and if you pay attention...a better filmmaker. Filmmaking is about more than just shots it's about the whole of the elements you are able to pull together. I think that is forgotten too often. What's that saying..."the sum of the parts is greater than the whole".....bullsh#t, "the whole thing is all that matters"
Keep on keeping on.
J.
Take how you're feeling doing, what I assume is a short for the horrorfest and stretch it to 96 minutes...now shoot it on film before the video revolution....then when you're done doing that throw in plenty of crappy shots and enough camera noise to make ADR a $5k line item in the budget...then add in camera problems, lens and battery issues....and then just when you think you're done take YOUR budget and work it into a number that equates to about $130k and you have my first film experience.
It's been about seven years and I'm still having trouble finding money and time to shoot projects to practice, but I keep on going because it's what I love, good or bad.
If you've shot something over a couple of days that didn't cost you thousands and thousands of dollars you get to come back and fight another day and then another and then another and with any luck you'll learn something from each one and apply it to the next. One day you will sit in front of your computer editing and realize that your shot selection isn't sucking ass...OK, maybe that one or two shots where Murphy's Law bit you on the ass, but then you suck up that lesson and keep on chugging.
Your ability to recognize that problems are going to happen whether you plan or not, will just make you a better planner and if you pay attention...a better filmmaker. Filmmaking is about more than just shots it's about the whole of the elements you are able to pull together. I think that is forgotten too often. What's that saying..."the sum of the parts is greater than the whole".....bullsh#t, "the whole thing is all that matters"
Keep on keeping on.
J.