anyone tried andromeda?

sean90291 said:
you don't have to sell your DVX camera at a loss and buy a new HVX that will depreciate. It would still be cheaper to upgrade my DVX to Andromeda...if the picture is just as good, why wouldn't I?
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Because they're not the same thing. HVX gives you variable frame rates, tapeless recording in-camera, 16:9, all the gamma curves and filmlike look etc. The andromeda doesn't offer those things, instead it brings other features to the table, such as extended dynamic range, uncompressed 4:4:4 or uncompressed HD. And the Andromeda requires being tethered by the USB in order to get those features, and all the "looks" need to be created in post, but then you have more control over how you paint the image, etc.

There's definite merit to both approaches, and certainly limitations to both approaches.

That's why I think the ultimate is to go to an HVX Andromeda. Then you'll have uncompressed 1920x1080 in proper 16:9 format and variable frame rates. You can untether from the computer when you need to go tapeless in the field and still get all the HVX goodness, but when you have the ability to plug into the computer then you'll get uncompressed 1920x1080 at up to 60p! That seems like the best of all worlds...
 
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How long will it take?

How long will it take?

Hi pertierr,

I am very interested in your product. For an 1 hr long video, how long would it take- to render the full resolution uncompressed video into quicktime (is qt the best format for posting editing in Premiere Pro?). I have never work with HD before, so I am a bit concern about the time. Thanks.

Paul
 
Juan, how far away is an HVX andromeda? If one is in the works, you think u might have one by the end of the year.

for me the biggest advantage is the price, $3000 is WAY cheaper than anything else I was looking at, but I REALLY would like those variable frame rates, and although I'll go read that thread you posted now, the fact that I shoot 2.35 pretty much exclusivly worries me that even at 990 lines, it's still a 4:3 chip.

If an HVX andromeda came out by '07 I'd be willing to put up the extra cash
 
Hello,

We are indeed looking into an HVX version. Unfortunately, we are in the very initial stages so it is impossible to give a timeline or say anything for sure right now.

The HVX hardware should allow for up-to 60fps frame rates, and slightly better resolution than what we are getting with the DVX. The big question mark is dynamic range, because there are slightly more pixels in each chip on the HVX, hopefully the chip technology is advanced enough to offset this. The wide dynamic range I think is one of the most unique features of Andromeda footage.

If you are shooting 2.35:1, you might want to look into using the anamorphic adapter, on the DVX with Andromeda it yields 1.85:1 aspect ratio over the full 1.5k frame.

Cheers,
Juan
 
Barry_Green said:
Because they're not the same thing. HVX gives you variable frame rates, tapeless recording in-camera, 16:9, all the gamma curves and filmlike look etc. The andromeda doesn't offer those things, instead it brings other features to the table, such as extended dynamic range, uncompressed 4:4:4 or uncompressed HD. And the Andromeda requires being tethered by the USB in order to get those features, and all the "looks" need to be created in post, but then you have more control over how you paint the image, etc.

There's definite merit to both approaches, and certainly limitations to both approaches.

That's why I think the ultimate is to go to an HVX Andromeda. Then you'll have uncompressed 1920x1080 in proper 16:9 format and variable frame rates. You can untether from the computer when you need to go tapeless in the field and still get all the HVX goodness, but when you have the ability to plug into the computer then you'll get uncompressed 1920x1080 at up to 60p! That seems like the best of all worlds...
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Aha, you bring up something I didn't realize: it sounds like the Andromeda by-passes the in-camera advantages of something like the HVX (or the DVX for that matter). So you don't get the Cine-like gamma curves, etc. and have to re-produce those yourself in post. I didn't realize that. Hm...another case made for the HVX.
 
... but with an Andromeda HVX, you have all the advantages...

(can you tell I've been nagging Juan)?

Good to hear you're taking the next step, Juan! I'll be your first customer.
 
So I just wonder how the HVX Andromeda would take advantage of the in-camera gammas while this is not the case with the DVX? A different technology? I was thinking that Andromeda by-passes the in-camera "computing" and is unadulterated picture straight from the chip (no gamma curves added at all).
 
Hello,

That's correct, Andromeda bypasses all in-camera processing. In fact, while pretty much all uncompressed camera systems involve at least one conversion stage, from RGB to YUV, Andromeda records pristine full-bandwidth RGB exactly as it is recorded from the sensors. Film works in RGB, your eyes work in RGB, and the computer you will be doing color correction on works in RGB so why waste colorspace converting to YUV before you really have to?

You don't loose anything by going around the in-camera gamma curves; there is nothing special about them. Once you have all the uncompressed data recorded, you can apply an infinite number of gamma curves, designed for YOUR look. This is the same type of process used to perform color correction on film scans. The artist dictates how it looks, not the camera manufacturer.

I'm not saying there's something wrong with the way standard video cameras work, this is just something completely different. Sometimes you want low-bandwidth compressed footage, which gives you a quick-to-edit workflow for news, documentaries, etc. Othertimes, your main focus is quality, and making the final product look the best it can possibly can within your vision and budget. This is where Andromeda fits in.

Cheers,
Juan
 
pertierr said:
The artist dictates how it looks, not the camera manufacturer.
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Amen!!!!

This is one of the 'walls' I felt I was always hitting with the DVX, something I grew to hate intensely - that all my curve decisions had already been made by Panasonic. It was like 90 % of my shots were created by the panasonic engineers. With andromeda, no more!

You are in true color curve heaven with Andromeda, believe me.
 
We're looking into an future HVX product right now. We will post any HVX-related anouncements in this forum as well as the Reel Stream forum.

Also, we have reduced the price of the Andromeda upgrade to $2500, and $2000 with educational discount. A million thanks to all of you who have supported us!

Cheers,
Juan

stay in schoo foo :costumed-smiley-047
 
assuming I can work out the $2000, I will get this and not regret it even if the HVX mod is announced tomorrow!

$2000 when your talking about things like "red" is nothing, its change. $2000 for this or say $9000 for HVX andromeda in the future, I'm going with the dvx for now

(I am currently enrolled in college by the way :) )
 
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