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mjmcauley said:
Interesting...in that original thread, Redrock specifically posted pictures of his rig with a correctly flipped image in the DVX LCD. I take it this was abondoned for the lower priced Micro35?
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They were probably using the "magnet" trick. If you place a small magnet just right on the LCD, it'll flip the image upside-down (but not left-right). Some people have tried to use that as a substitute, but it is exceptionally limiting and annoying and, having used it, I must say I hate the prospect of the magnet, as anyone who values their sanity will.

A far, far, far, far, far, far, far better solution would be to use a cheap LCD monitor that flips the image for you. There are some available that rotate the image and can be battery-powered and mounted on the camera's shoe. The one that came with my prompter from http://www.prompterpeople.com is even 16:9/4:3 switchable and can show full underscan, and costs around $100.

You wouldn't use one of these cheapo LCDs for focus or color judgement, just for framing.

We'll assume the optical quality is actually better than the P+S Technik model since there aren't any "flip" optics inside.. It should result in the same or better image quality, all other components being of similar make.
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I wouldn't assume that yet. If the GG or the diopter or anything else are of lesser quality (as would seem implied by the incredibly lower price), that would result in lesser image quality. The mini35 is an exquisitely crafted piece of equipment, and delivers the same feeling of exuding quality as you get when slipping behind the wheel of a BMW 540... it's really, really good. The micro35 may indeed be just as good, but I wouldn't assume that a product at 1/10th or 1/20th the price is just as good -- not without putting it through its paces and testing it thoroughly directly against the min35. Which is something I plan to do, and hope others do as well.

I have very high hopes for both the micro35 and the guerilla35. They may or may not be fully competitive, image-quality-wise, as the mini35. Even if they don't offer images as good as the mini35, the astoundingly affordable price (by comparison) means they could be incredible tools for microcinema shooters. If they are indeed competitive with the full $11,000 mini35, well, they'll get some "product of the year" awards!
 
Barry - thanks for pointing out the monitor - on-camera LCD monitors that do the flip is the much preferred approach. I did not see a monitor on their site for $100 - maybe you meant $1000?

We have also listed some LCD monitors on our site from EVS that also perform flip and are avail in 16:9 and 4x3, and they offer a discount as well (thanks rush!). Around $300-400. I personally own a TVOne on-camera LCD (around $500).

Monitors are available from elsewhere as well, I'm sure.
 
It will be interesting getting this to test, and im sure Barry will give you a ton of suggestions and insight when you meet him Brian, hes a smart cookie as you probally figured. We will be shooting it at clairmont with the same cooke S4's we used on the mini-35 review ( http://www.dvxuser.com/articles/mini35/ ) so we should get a good sense on differences between the two products.
 
bvalente said:
Barry - thanks for pointing out the monitor - on-camera LCD monitors that do the flip is the much preferred approach. I did not see a monitor on their site for $100 - maybe you meant $1000?
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No, I meant $100. Manufacturer of the monitor is Lilliput, I think. It does full flip on the X or the Y (for micro/g35 use, you'd want both). Don't remember the exact model number...
 
yeah i bought one a year or so ago from mp3playerstore.com for about 100 bucks.. I remember the flip option and wondered why the hell anyone would need that for, now I know.
 
Jarred Land said:
yeah i bought one a year or so ago from mp3playerstore.com for about 100 bucks.. I remember the flip option and wondered why the hell anyone would need that for, now I know.
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That makes sense. That brand is very popular in the car video realm. If you want to mount it to a ceiling of a car, you would need to flip 180 degrees. How do you like yours Jarred?
 
it was too much of a pain in the ass to use, and the quality sucked, but for 100 bucks I didnt expect much.
 
I checked out that site - I don't know how I feel about buying production products from a place where every other product listed as "Crazy Sale", but there you have it :)

Jarred - it will be good to use the same lenses for the review.

Brian
 
its totally back door warehouse stuff... honestly after giving them my credit card I thought I was in trouble, but all went well, it shipped fast and the thing did work. I actually would buy from them again, I think they are a key Ebay company so the website was an afterthought.
 
If using any of the 35mm adapters, would one still need to purchase the wide angle adapters that are specific to the DVX (e.g. Century), or can you more economically achieve the wide angle with a generic (see: Nikon, Canon) wide angle lenses...

...or, is there a reason that I'm not aware of that you would not want to use a wide angle in front of a 35mm adapter? Thx.
 
Ah I see my beloved topic addressed here... LCD/TFT monitors! :-))
I'm still seeking for a good on cam monitor that I can also use on my MagiqCam... there are several low budget ones available too. E.g. the Ikan stuff... thanks at the Micro35 guys again for having a discount at EVS for these (and others). So image flipping both horizontally and vertically doesn't seem to be a problem. And many are 4:3/16:9 switchable... however I'm still "hunting" for one that shows the full underscan (of course switchable between over/underscan would be nice ;o) of the image! Because this is (as we all know *sigh*) one thing blatantly missing from the DVX' built in monitor.. :-/
It would be sooo useful sometimes...
(and how come a 100 bucks cheapy cheapy thing has it? ;o)
 
You would ostensibly use whatever lens you needed for any particular shot. Jarred and Brian should answer this futher, but I believe that any still or cinema lens that'll fit the mount will focus an image to the primary focal plane (gg).

Brian, have you explored variable speed on the ground glass? How did you arrive at the motor speed your production units use and are there plans for a rheostat on future models? I've read in Jarred's review of the Mini35 and elsewhere that settings at 4 and 5 respectively returned the best results insofar as deprecable grain.

As for underscan monitors, does anyone think the DVX shoe will support my 1354Q?

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Barry_Green said:
They were probably using the "magnet" trick. If you place a small magnet just right on the LCD, it'll flip the image upside-down (but not left-right). Some people have tried to use that as a substitute, but it is exceptionally limiting and annoying and, having used it, I must say I hate the prospect of the magnet, as anyone who values their sanity will.
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You're probably right about the early Micro35 picutures, I just didn't remember a reference to the magnet in the descriptions. And on the magnets, I agree...especially since I've played with the G35 for a day (Thanks Jonathan!) and while the images were GREAT, dealing with the magnet was a pain in the a**. I'm confused though, Barry...I dont think the magnet trick requires a left right flip...it presents a correctly oriented image.

The bigger problem I've been thinking of is whether its safe to be turning my Sony PVM upside down for getting critical focus/lighting/color.
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mjmcauley said:
I'm confused though, Barry...I dont think the magnet trick requires a left right flip...it presents a correctly oriented image.
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There is a setting in your display menu that tells your LCD to mirror when it it flipped. I'm not sure if it is A version only or not.
 
yes.. im sure if you commited your camera to only shooting with these adapters, it would be a pretty painless operation to open up the hinge and bridge the tft switch, so the image would always be flipped on your viewfinder so you could frame and monitor as normal. You would just hafta use the eyepiece to view the information, but its probally better that way as your screen (flipped) would be totally clean.
 
Hey all,

Regarding wide angle lenses - yes, you would use your favorite wide angle 35mm lens. I just picked up a 20mm nikon f.2.8 and I'm anxious to try it out.

Regarding the various questions on the micro35 gg speed, we do not have variable speed - it's either on or off. It speed is approx 3500-4500 rpm on batteries, and 5500-6500 rpm on AC. The feedback we've heard on the mini35 is that pretty much everyone sets it on high speed, so we felt a single high speed was a reasonable tradeoff to make. I have heard of folks slowing the speed of the mini35 to emulate film grain - we feel that is something that can be handled in post. The aim of the micro35 is to create the best possible image at our price point. No plans for rheostat right now.


Hope that helps

Brian
 
bvalente said:
Hey all,

Regarding wide angle lenses - yes, you would use your favorite wide angle 35mm lens. I just picked up a 20mm nikon f.2.8 and I'm anxious to try it out.
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So, given the costs of the Century Optics DVX specific adapters, would there be any reason or scenario that would warrant buying one of theirs vs. a std 35mm type lens?
 
"any reason or scenario that would warrant buying one of theirs vs. a std 35mm type lens?"

The film lens should resolve better, in theory. More resolution. The ground glass softens things a bit, so it's tough to say what the resultant image would be.

Fast wide angle 35mm lenses are expensive, though.
 
bvalente said:
It speed is approx 3500-4500 rpm on batteries, and 5500-6500 rpm on AC.
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That's interesting though not surprising. So (at risk of saying the obvious) voltage determines the speed of the GG? Why not use Ni-CD rechargables for "film grain" ? They sag quite a bit more than alkaline or lithium, I believe.
 
once its going that fast you wont see the difference.. on the mini35 it was horrible though when you slowed down the ground glass as you could actually see it spin. Anything below a "4" on the mini35 was getting in trouble.
 
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