Anyone in PAL land buying an FS100 from USA?

After reading about it here (jitter), I took the discussion to a Danish filmguy and be said a lot of the time people got jitters because they shooting what he called "home videos" instead of fliming.
His opinion is that the FS100 is.made for planned shots rather than run and gun. So the object of proper camera movement applies, ie.: camera films the subject against a out of focus background... movement is into the frame and maintained in the frame at the same spot all the time.... panning is either slow or fast, nothing in between.

He also found that stepping down to -3 on detail will take care of some of the problem.
 
Noel Evans said:
Wow. So thus Im assuming no 50/60Hz switchable then? Cams basically made itself redundant for me if thats the case.

Frank also the red object - macroblocks caused by compression or there on original?
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The macroblocks on the red tray are made by Vimeo - the original material is pristine.
 
So what is the verdict - to shoot 23.97 with shatter at 50 in a pal land to get no jitter effect ?
Does the ntsc version have the 50 and 100 shutter speed at 23.97 and 30 settings ?
 
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Yeah, actually in even in PAL land you are better with the US version.

1. 24 to 25 is done easy - we do it with films all the time, just a little speed change.
2. You have real 24 motion at 48 (180 deg) shutter
3. 60 vs 50 in slomo makes a difference.

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
Yeah, actually in even in PAL land you are better with the US version.

1. 24 to 25 is done easy - we do it with films all the time, just a little speed change.
2. You have real 24 motion at 48 (180 deg) shutter
3. 60 vs 50 in slomo makes a difference.

Frank
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my dear , i worked on about 40 features in my life which where shoot 24 , i am asking if the camera has 50 and 100 shutter to work with when it set to 23.97 and 29.97 to eliminate the flicker from the 50 hz light ?
best
 
Mi fixtures don´t flicker and so don´t good old household bulbs.
That problem occurs only with some fluorescent lights, which I´m usually able to prevent.

Yeah 48 or 50 shutter does not make a big difference. A shutter of 100 is a pain in the rear, as long a you don´t want the Private Ryan D-Day look.

Frank

Edit: just received the update - went smooth.
Now I have to wait, till the FS100 comes back from rental.
 
video guys here now sell it for under 6k. Was going to go the bh route via priceusa who act as middle deliverymen but with gst and customs fees I'd only be around 400 up.
 
Postmaster said:
A shutter of 100 is a pain in the rear, as long a you don´t want the Private Ryan D-Day look.
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Hmm? It's not that bad. Ryan was probably around 1/320 for all the fast paced action shots. 1/100 is actually my preferred look for anything that is not a talking shot because it is sharp but still has enough motion blur. And even for talking shots it kinda works. I used to shoot at 1/100 for years. :grin:

I'd still go for the 25p model if you are in EU. The 50hz thing is a big deal and you can always slow it down 4% to get to 24 if you need it. Only thing really missing is the 60p slowmo.
 
I'm in the UK and also considering the US model as I'm shooting a film which may have a theatrical release possibility, and will at least be going to festivals. I'm more inclined to shoot 23.97 as I'd rather speed the pace of the film up to 25p than bog it down going 4% slower if I shoot 25p then try to convert to 24?

However, I'm concerned about possible light flicker, although I don't think we'll be using flourescent sources. Can someone with the US variant please confirm whether you are able to shoot at 1/50 when in 24p framerate?

Any other problems or BTDT with shooting 23.97p in Europe/UK either shooting or in post?

Cheers.
 
According to Philip Bloom, there will be a firmeware update bevore x-mas, that makes the FS100 a world camera.
 
I don't know why, but I'm led to believe the firmware update will only be for EU camera and not USA. If that's the case, even living in North America I would sooner buy the PAL version of the camera that is NTSC switchable than the NTSC one instead... just for the option!
 
Thanks for the replies -

Postmaster - yes I've read that too, however sadly our shoot is before winter, so I'll need a solution before that.

Starcentral - yeah, if I could wait I would agree. I find it as bizarre as many of these decisions seem to be to introduce a major enabling firmware update so long after release. Why not just enable all frame-rates on all models from the start since it is clearly possible to do so, and save all this hassle?

In any case, can someone who actually owns a US model please confirm whether you can use a 1/50 shutter speed when shooting at 24p?

I'm assuming '24p' actually means 23.97 on this cam and not true 24p?

Cheers.
 
I bought my FS-100 in the States three weeks ago and brought it here to Thailand where I live and work. The only chance I have had to test it under flourescent lights was in my office today, under the ceiling fixtures.

There was no discernable flicker at 1/50 or at 1/100. But as soon as I went to 1/120 the image started rolling.

Hope this helps.
 
Does anyone know a reputable US dealer that will ship an FS100 to the UK? Even after VAT and customs it works out cheaper to buy an FS100 from the states.
 
Eggmeng said:
I bought my FS-100 in the States three weeks ago and brought it here to Thailand where I live and work. The only chance I have had to test it under flourescent lights was in my office today, under the ceiling fixtures.There was no discernable flicker at 1/50 or at 1/100. But as soon as I went to 1/120 the image started rolling. Hope this helps.
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Hi thanks for the reply! I take it Thailand has a 50Hz mains supply?
 
analog_addict said:
Does anyone know a reputable US dealer that will ship an FS100 to the UK? Even after VAT and customs it works out cheaper to buy an FS100 from the states.
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A cheap flight to the East Coast just out of season is probably a good deal cheaper still and you won't have to find a dealer who'll ship to the UK!
 
I brought one in the UK from www.slrhut.com it's a NTSC model and was delivered free and did not pay VAT.
They have a London office to handle queries. It was massively cheaper than UK at £3365
I think they have put them up slightly but still a bargain....
 
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