Any EX1 regrets?

One more point about the EX1 and 3: they overheat somewhat easily, so keep them out of the sun, and be careful about covering them up. No tape transport system is great, but overheating
is a concern.

David
 
dwells said:
Ultra HD is also here to stay, but 1920 x 1080 is a big standard in the industry.

David
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To hijack this topic for a moment, speaking of ultra HD, why is RED only support Mac? Mac takes up 4% of world micro computer market. I'm not going to learn a Mac OS, buy a Mac just to use Final Cut Pro
 
dwells said:
One more point about the EX1 and 3: they overheat somewhat easily, so keep them out of the sun, and be careful about covering them up. No tape transport system is great, but overheating
is a concern.

David
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actually, that's why we have something called warranty, which is 5 yr. w/ Panasonic. And 5 yr. from now, I seriously doubt we'll be using 1920x1080. My 30" computer LCD is 2560x1600, would you watch your Full HD movie on 1920x1080 at say 65"?

In a few yr., Full HD 19x10 will be gone and we can sell a panasonic still under warranty.
 
Happy Hopping said:
To hijack this topic for a moment, speaking of ultra HD, why is RED only support Mac? Mac takes up 4% of world micro computer market. I'm not going to learn a Mac OS, buy a Mac just to use Final Cut Pro
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I'm confused. As far as I am aware, RED supports both Mac and PC platforms. Previously the only editor which natively supported the format was Final Cut Pro but Premiere Pro CS4 has announced support for RED as well now. You can read more on Adobes website and here: http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/pdfs/red_adobe_cs4_beta.pdf

Before this there were 3rd party solutions that acted as a go between to allow you to edit on other platforms - cineform for example: http://www.cineform.com/products/TechNotes/Red-Prospect4K.htm

This should be good news for you I guess. You don't have to learn how to use a Mac or Final Cut Pro (although it certainly wouldn't hurt to learn anyway :P)
 
Happy Hopping said:
To hijack this topic for a moment, speaking of ultra HD, why is RED only support Mac? Mac takes up 4% of world micro computer market. I'm not going to learn a Mac OS, buy a Mac just to use Final Cut Pro
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HUH?

I'm running RedCine just fine on my XP64 laptop. Export 2K to MOV and I'm rolling in Vegas or whatever. Works great.
 
I was gonna say we had the RED ONE running RedCine on my Windows XP. They've offered Windows support for a while now.
 
Daniel Alexander said:
I recently stated i was a bit dissapointed with my EX1 in regards to 'the film look' in comparison with the hvx, however after further experimenting I can now report that it really is possible to tweak this camera to mimic a wide range of looks going way beyond what the image looks like on it's out the box setting. I found two videos that demonstrate this perfectly:

http://www.vimeo.com/1198204
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Yes, download the large 500MB version. It looks great.
 
how about the EX3 and the XPX-500

how about the EX3 and the XPX-500

These two cameras have the same price, so why would you get one over the other, for ENG and short political videos, like "Rock the Vote" or "Obama lloves you"
 
I personally love both cameras, but based on the 'same price' scenario I would get the EX1 due to cheaper memory and an lcd that i can use for critical focus. When bringing these two factors into the eqausion the price difference really becomes aparent
 
PerroneFord said:
HUH?

I'm running RedCine just fine on my XP64 laptop. Export 2K to MOV and I'm rolling in Vegas or whatever. Works great.
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I haven't follow up on RED for awhile. What is the max. resolution you can get out of RED ONE at: I

3K (up to 60 fps)

and how long does it take to convert their default file format to MP4 or WMV for a 50 GB file?

And let me know how much memory your PC is using?
 
One thing to consider about Red, Panavision Genesis, SI-2K, Dalsa, etc., is that they are Bayer-pattern single imager cameras. That means the light transmission efficiency of a Bayer filtered imager is only about 50%, as opposed to 90% for a 3-imager camera. Another thing to consider is that due to the Bayer pattern, the color sampling off the imager, by definition, is 4:2:0. And, more importantly, the dilemma of where to set the antialias filter cutoff for the imager, since it's ONE imager and you have the effective 2k horizontal in the green, but only 1k horizontal in the red and blue, the antialias filter will probably be dictated by the blue sampling, so overall, the fantastic 4k imager is effectively resolving 1080 lines per picture height, to keep Mr. Nyquist happy. So the real advantage is the super 35 mm imager size, which makes up some of the sensitivity by virtue of larger photosites, plus the "advantage" of shallow depth of field, relative to smaller 2/3" and 1/2" imager cameras.
These cinema cameras are not the incredible resolution monsters that their specs might mislead one to believe. Resolution is not the reason to buy one. Other reasons, pertaining to optical properties are more valid.
 
Happy Hopping said:
I haven't follow up on RED for awhile. What is the max. resolution you can get out of RED ONE at: I

3K (up to 60 fps)

and how long does it take to convert their default file format to MP4 or WMV for a 50 GB file?

And let me know how much memory your PC is using?
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I do not own a RED. And there is absolutely NO WAY, I am going to try to download a 50GB .R3D file for a test. If you want to procure such a file, hop on reduser and request a BluRay containing one.

My laptop came with 2 or 3 GB or RAM, I can't remember. I had to make some sacrifices knowing I could beef up the RAM later quite easily. So my conversions are rather slow. No big deal to me.
 
Get the EX1 trust me!! I got a RED and i did side by side comparisons of my ex1 footage frame export next to a RED 4K tiff short with Nikon lens and i actually find the Ex1 sharper in definition.. :D especially when comparing the details of the hair on people's heads .. amazing sharpness. I guess my RED will kick ass more when i get RED lenses :(
 
Cinemano said:
Get the EX1 trust me!! I got a RED and i did side by side comparisons of my ex1 footage frame export next to a RED 4K tiff short with Nikon lens and i actually find the Ex1 sharper in definition.. :D especially when comparing the details of the hair on people's heads .. amazing sharpness. I guess my RED will kick ass more when i get RED lenses :(
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this is a joke right? ex1 over red? that is silly.
 
Wow well said... seems gone are the days of the prosumer cams


basspig said:
One thing to consider about Red, Panavision Genesis, SI-2K, Dalsa, etc., is that they are Bayer-pattern single imager cameras. That means the light transmission efficiency of a Bayer filtered imager is only about 50%, as opposed to 90% for a 3-imager camera. Another thing to consider is that due to the Bayer pattern, the color sampling off the imager, by definition, is 4:2:0. And, more importantly, the dilemma of where to set the antialias filter cutoff for the imager, since it's ONE imager and you have the effective 2k horizontal in the green, but only 1k horizontal in the red and blue, the antialias filter will probably be dictated by the blue sampling, so overall, the fantastic 4k imager is effectively resolving 1080 lines per picture height, to keep Mr. Nyquist happy. So the real advantage is the super 35 mm imager size, which makes up some of the sensitivity by virtue of larger photosites, plus the "advantage" of shallow depth of field, relative to smaller 2/3" and 1/2" imager cameras.
These cinema cameras are not the incredible resolution monsters that their specs might mislead one to believe. Resolution is not the reason to buy one. Other reasons, pertaining to optical properties are more valid.
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basspig said:
One thing to consider about Red, Panavision Genesis, SI-2K, Dalsa, etc.,
These cinema cameras are not the incredible resolution monsters that their specs might mislead one to believe. Resolution is not the reason to buy one. Other reasons, pertaining to optical properties are more valid.
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Since I don't own the 170/200 from Panasonic, is the 170/200 also a Bayer-pattern single imager camera?

As to what you said from the above, what about the frame rate? I'm concern about the frame rate. The lower res. 720p is at 60 frames / sec. The sony is only 30 frames/sec. at 19x10. So to me, RED 1 advantage would be the 60 frames/sec or higher if RED 1 can do 19x10 at 60 frames/s
 
My only EX1 regret is that I don't have enough time to use it.

I finally had some free time the other day, took my EX1, letus and Nikon lenses and went exploring an old abandoned house I live near, great old 4 story home covered in vines, only I got arrested for trespassing before I got to shoot. The police made me hold my camera in front of me for the mugshot. The first EX1 in a mugshot I do believe.

My choice of location regrets, yes.
Ex1 purchase regrets, no.
 
I'd like to see some video from the EX1 and RED ONE comparison.

Basspig made some very good points, but these single-sensor cameras are excellent, and not just because of their resolution. The RED ONE, Genesis, and SI-2K produce a great image, as do the other units.

David
 
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