FS5: Another FS5 Lens thread.

I do appreciate all of the recommendations I am just weighing up all of my options at this point, which is why I'm asking about a variety of lenses. I can now probably push my budget to £2000, which opens up a few more options.

So what have people got to say about the 28-135 FS7 kit lens? I believe the optics are much improved over the 18-105, being less wide but with more reach, is it worth the money for the better quality and difference in range.

Also, does anyone have hands on experience with the new FE 24-70 2.8 G Master lens? I'd value anyones thoughts.
 
mattjeh said:
Man this is tricky to get my head around. So the actual focal distance of the Sigma is more like an 18mm like the kit sony 18-105. But isn't the sony a FF lens so is actually more like a 27-158 (as listed on some documentation as the 35mm equivalent?) /confused

Also Chad, I like the look of that sigma 24-105, can you please recommend the best adapter for full compatibility with the E mount?

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It seems all adapters are not created equal, I take it something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neewer-Me...041917?hash=item2ca902013d:g:thAAAOSwUuFW0CDH Would do the job of actually attaching the Sigma EF to the E mount, but that's it. Whereas a speedbooster: http://cvp.com/index.php?t=product/metabones_ef-e-bt4_canon-ef-to-e-mount adds the extra stop and the wider field? The additional functionality brings the additional expense?
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Yup, you got it. The Speedbooster is a totally different adapter from a EF to E mount smart adapter.
The regular smart adapter gives you the 'Super 35mm FOV' while the Speedbooster gives you
the 'Full Frame FOV'. So if you have both adapters, that 24-105 lens will behave differently,
depending on if it is on the speedbooster or on the normal smart adapter....kind of giving you
two lenses in one! So the Sigma 24-105 will behave like a 17-75mm (Super 35....which is roughly
equal to 24-105 Full Frame) when it is on a speedbooster. On a regular smart adapter, it will
behave like a 24-105mm (Super 35.....which is roughly equal to 36-157mm Full Frame).
The other difference when using a Speedbooster (besides gaining the wider field of view of Full Frame)
is you gain an F-stop in brightness.....basically because F4 on a Full Frame is roughly equal to F2.8 on
Super 35. So that's why people say that 24-105 F4 'behaves' like a 17-75 F2.8 on the Super 35 FS5....
because if using Super 35 as your 'frame of reference', that's what the lens looks like. The FS5 will
even show you F2.8 when mounted on the Speedbooster, but when mounted on the EF to E mount
smart adapter, it will only go to F4. Of course if you are using Full Frame as your 'frame of reference'
it pretty much looks exactly like you'd expect a 24-105 F4 lens to look on a Full Frame camera.
This can be confusing, because a 24mm (or 35mm or 50mm or whatever) is ALWAYS a 24mm lens,
but it looks different on a Full Frame camera then when on a Super 35mm camera. So depending on which
camera you have shot with....you may have a different perception of what a 24mm lens looks like.
So people argue about it, and no one is really wrong, they are both using different 'frames of reference'
to say the same thing. It can get even more confusing though, because certain lenses like the
Sony 18-105 are APSC/Super 35 lenses only and are not made for Full Frame. Another good example
of this is the popular Sigma 18-35 F1.8. It's a APSC/Super 35mm lens only. Yet people try to mount it
on a Super 35 camera with a Speedbooster....and then wonder why they are getting vignetting!
Because that is almost like trying to mount that same lens on a Canon 5D!
 
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alaskacameradude said:
Yup, you got it. The Speedbooster is a totally different adapter from a EF to E mount smart adapter.
The regular smart adapter gives you the 'Super 35mm FOV' while the Speedbooster gives you
the 'Full Frame FOV'. So if you have both adapters, that 24-105 lens will behave differently,
depending on if it is on the speedbooster or on the normal smart adapter....kind of giving you
two lenses in one! So the Sigma 24-105 will behave like a 17-75mm (Super 35....which is roughly
equal to 24-105 Full Frame) when it is on a speedbooster. On a regular smart adapter, it will
behave like a 24-105mm (Super 35.....which is roughly equal to 36-157mm Full Frame).
The other difference when using a Speedbooster (besides gaining the wider field of view of Full Frame)
is you gain an F-stop in brightness.....basically because F4 on a Full Frame is roughly equal to F2.8 on
Super 35. So that's why people say that 24-105 F4 'behaves' like a 17-75 F2.8 on the Super 35 FS5....
because if using Super 35 as your 'frame of reference', that's what the lens looks like. The FS5 will
even show you F2.8 when mounted on the Speedbooster, but when mounted on the EF to E mount
smart adapter, it will only go to F4. Of course if you are using Full Frame as your 'frame of reference'
it pretty much looks exactly like you'd expect a 24-105 F4 lens to look on a Full Frame camera.
This can be confusing, because a 24mm (or 35mm or 50mm or whatever) is ALWAYS a 24mm lens,
but it looks different on a Full Frame camera then when on a Super 35mm camera. So depending on which
camera you have shot with....you may have a different perception of what a 24mm lens looks like.
So people argue about it, and no one is really wrong, they are both using different 'frames of reference'
to say the same thing. It can get even more confusing though, because certain lenses like the
Sony 18-105 are APSC/Super 35 lenses only and are not made for Full Frame. Another good example
of this is the popular Sigma 18-35 F1.8. It's a APSC/Super 35mm lens only. Yet people try to mount it
on a camera Super 35 camera with a Speedbooster....and then wonder why they are getting vignetting!
Because that is almost like trying to mount that same lens on a Canon 5D!
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Thanks for that, all makes sense even though it's big info to get your head around.
 
Hey Matt,

I had a couple zoom lenses rehoused and im waiting on my third but like you i had a smaller budget to throw at a simple lens selection for your day to day event, corporate etc, for just under a £500 i managed to buy the cheap EF to E Commlite adpater (£55 amazon), i picked up the Sigma 10-20 F3.5 used on ebay for around £200, a grey market import Sigma 17-50 F2.8 OS for £205, if i didnt get the 10-20 used i could have imported one for £260 (Value Basket is the site i used, also bought a Nikon D7100 from them), considering your budegt my two lenses and adapter could fit the bill (and you could just stick with the 10-20) this month i hope to complete the little set with a grey market import Sigma 70-200 F2.8 OS for around £550. All three lenses will cost less than £1000 and can be used on tons of cameras.

I'm biased but thats the direction i went in for regular work, i put a fair few thousands into my rehoused zooms so this set had to be cheap, fairly good quality and match. The Sigma 17-50 is the same glass Red put in their now discontinued 17-50 T2.9 Red Pro Zoom
 
28-135 is very heavy

28-135 is very heavy

mattjeh said:
I do appreciate all of the recommendations I am just weighing up all of my options at this point, which is why I'm asking about a variety of lenses. I can now probably push my budget to £2000, which opens up a few more options.

So what have people got to say about the 28-135 FS7 kit lens? I believe the optics are much improved over the 18-105, being less wide but with more reach, is it worth the money for the better quality and difference in range.

Also, does anyone have hands on experience with the new FE 24-70 2.8 G Master lens? I'd value anyones thoughts.
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I tried my 28-135 on the FS5 last week. It is very, very heavy and needs rails and a support bracket (as it does on my FS7). The camera is much more balanced and lower profile with the 18-105, wider is always better, and with center crop you can still get out to 200mm. I think their sharpness is very close to being equal. For that $2500 you would spend on the 28-135 you could have a small arsenal of wider and longer lenses. There is no getting around the fact that the 28-135 has a very weird servo system with no way to start or stop a zoom with any precision. Save your money.
 
chrisccw said:
I tried my 28-135 on the FS5 last week. It is very, very heavy and needs rails and a support bracket (as it does on my FS7). The camera is much more balanced and lower profile with the 18-105, wider is always better, and with center crop you can still get out to 200mm. I think their sharpness is very close to being equal. For that $2500 you would spend on the 28-135 you could have a small arsenal of wider and longer lenses. There is no getting around the fact that the 28-135 has a very weird servo system with no way to start or stop a zoom with any precision. Save your money.
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Thanks for the real world feedback, I like the idea of this lens but your comments are mirrored in a lot of reviews I've seen. The wide not wide enough and the zoom issue, it seems like such an oversight for it not to be mechanical and precise for a lens built for video. Also it needing support is a big turn off.

I love the look of the new G master 24-70 2.8 (my budget has increased to £2000). But I take it, it doesn't have any optical steadyshot, and neither does the FS5 onboard so it seems like a non starter. If it had OSS I'd be seriously considering it, it seems like such an omission. Has anyone used this lens with their FS7/5 and have any feedback?
 
The tamron 24 - 70 2.8 has good OSS and is very sharp - great lens though it focuses in the Nikon direction .
 
Ok I am currently swaying to the Sigma 24-105 art lens and the Kipon Baveyes focal reducer. I have read some info about a different sigma lens' IS not working with the kipon. Is anyone able to confirm if IS works with the 24-105 with the Kipon?

Also, can someone recommend a good non speedbooster EF-E adapter brand (although it still needs the contacts for AF and iris control).

Edit:
Just spotted this on a site selling the Kipon: There is also a limitation on usability of lenses without aperture ring as there is no aperture control via this adapter.
Does that just reference that there is no physical control on the adapter or that it doesn't send the iris control from the FS5 body through to the lens? Because that would be barmy.
 
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mattjeh said:
Man this is tricky to get my head around. So the actual focal distance of the Sigma is more like an 18mm like the kit sony 18-105. But isn't the sony a FF lens so is actually more like a 27-158 (as listed on some documentation as the 35mm equivalent?) /confused

Also Chad, I like the look of that sigma 24-105, can you please recommend the best adapter for full compatibility with the E mount?

Edit:
It seems all adapters are not created equal, I take it something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Neewer-Me...041917?hash=item2ca902013d:g:thAAAOSwUuFW0CDH Would do the job of actually attaching the Sigma EF to the E mount, but that's it. Whereas a speedbooster: http://cvp.com/index.php?t=product/metabones_ef-e-bt4_canon-ef-to-e-mount adds the extra stop and the wider field? The additional functionality brings the additional expense?
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For some reason I didn't get the last few email notifications on this thread. As for adapters, no they aren't all the same. You want a focal reducer to go from FF to Super35, that the Speedbooster Ultra is the best I know of. It's expensive, yes, but it opens up a whole world to your camera and if you already have ful frame glass. So that's the one I use, at 650.00 US. I don't see any molestation of the image using it, though I'm sure there probably is some.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876,92051677442,&A=details&Q=
 
mattjeh said:
Ok I am currently swaying to the Sigma 24-105 art lens and the Kipon Baveyes focal reducer. I have read some info about a different sigma lens' IS not working with the kipon. Is anyone able to confirm if IS works with the 24-105 with the Kipon?
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All I know is that IS works on my Sigma using the Metabones. No issues with anything. I don't shoot with any auto focus, though I'm sure that's slow at best.
 
DigitalRev order went OK?

DigitalRev order went OK?

Hi Chad - Not to hijack this thread, but I'm curious to know how your order with DigitalRev went. Lots of mixed reviews about them, and I am aware of the limitations of buying gray market items.

Chadfish said:
Actually mattjeh it's the Sigma that beats the Canon, and is 100.00 cheaper when buying them new (on the B&H site). Also It has been reported that the Canon's IS is sort of loud and the sound can get into a camera mounted mic, where the Sigma's IS is silent. Look up some YouTube comparisons to see the sharpness differences between those two lenses. And Yes it's sharper than the Sony 18-105. I bought the 18-105 with the camera, and I never use it. There's just an extra sparkle when using the Sigma. The Sony is very light though, so it would be good for hand held stuff, but personally I put the camera on a tripod 98% of the time. The Sigma is a half pound heavier than the Canon. And as I said, the Speedbooster Ultra (the 650.00 one, not the 400.00 one) gives you an extra stop of light and a .7 crop, making the focal length of any full frame lens close to the numbers marked on the lens.

All that being said, you may be able to find the Canon used for significantly cheaper, as it comes as a kit lens in a lot of their cameras. For me though I want that edge to edge sharpness, build quality and silence. I bought my Sigma at DigitalRev for 769.00 US.

Here's a video. Hit the "YouTube" icon to open it in YOuTube so you can play it full screen.
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davidp158 said:
Hi Chad - Not to hijack this thread, but I'm curious to know how your order with DigitalRev went. Lots of mixed reviews about them, and I am aware of the limitations of buying gray market items.
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I don't think DigitalRev is a gray market place. They are the ones that produce those videos with the smart ass guy named Kai:

Anyway, I had no issues with them, however I did get a letter after the purchase from some government office charging me around 30.00 for Duty fees. So that was unexpected. 750.00 for the lens + 30.00 for duty = 780.00. Not bad, but now I see the same lens is 799.00 on B&H. So you're not saving much, and if there's an issue you have to deal with China or Japan or wherever DigitalRev is. I think when I ordered the lens it was going for 900.00 on B&H. If I were ordering today I would just go with B&H.
 
Oh I see that 799.00 price on the Sigma 24-105mm ends tomorrow at B&H, and goes back up to 899.00. I'd just grab it now if you're seriously thinking of getting it anyway.
 
I've decided to go with the sigma 24-105, getting it from a local dealer too so I can check all functionality with the adapter before purchase.

Thanks for everyones input.
 
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Thanks for your reply regarding DigitalRev. Their prices are generally better than B&H, but not crazy-low gray market prices. So, as you say, it may be best to pay a bit more and have US warranty service.
 
davidp158 said:
Thanks for your reply regarding DigitalRev. Their prices are generally better than B&H, but not crazy-low gray market prices. So, as you say, it may be best to pay a bit more and have US warranty service.
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The 799.00 price at B&H goes up 100.00 after end of business today. Better jump on it!
 
I'm currently weighing up which adapter to purchase along with the sigma, I'm hearing not too good things about the cheaper adapters so im looking at the metabones mark IV. I will pick up a speedbooster in addition further down the line, but as it's been said, buy once buy right.

The only thing I've spotted in the specs of the mkIV on the metabones site is:
  • With PXW-FS7, NEX-FS700 and NEX-FS100, autofocus works only in photo mode but disabled in movie capture mode.
With the FS5 in mind, not the FS7, what does this actually mean in practice as to the function of AF? Not that I'd ever want to or plan to reply on AF, but this line jumped out at me as a concern.

Does anyone have this exact setup with FS5 / Sigma 24-105 EF / MkIV and can confirm functionality please?
 
Metabones mark IV isn't a focal reducer. The Speedboster ULtra is really your only option. Just cough up the 650.00 and stop thinking about it. You need the ultra to make the Sigma into an f2.8 - and you need that extra stop of light. There are no adapters that wirk with auto focus on video. Autofocus on video barely works with native lenses. Just resign yourself to focusing manually. In 15 years of shooting video professionally there has been no instance with any camera that autofocus worked. Closest I can get to that is on the GH4 where I can touch the LCD to get focus on what I touch, but even with that camera and their best lens the focus is slow when you just leave it alone.
 
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