And they said Macs don't crash...

That's exciting. And I love the name "hackintosh". Please let me know how it goes. IM me if you gotta. I'm really interested in this but worry about stability issues when I have a tight schedule and complex projects.

Hackintosh. That's just brilliant.

-rook
 
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Try running photoshop and illustrator with DPI in the near thousand with several dozen layers. See if you notice any difference in performance? Doing billboard stuff requires some very high rez stuff and even with 4gigs of ram on this intel xeon isn't cutting it for me. My PC can make better eggs.
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What outdoor company are you preparing files for? I've never dealt with one that wanted a super-hires file. Hi-res, yes, but maybe only twice as big in total file size as an magazine ad. Maybe your vendor is causing you more headaches than they should.

[crusty old man voice] Back in the day, I did full 48 x 14 boards on a 7500 with 4 MEGS of ram. [/crusty old man voice]

What were we talking about again?
 
Wow! I should probably consider myself one of the lucky ones. I've owned my Mac Pro G5 for 3 years and it's never crashed. I've seen applications crash but never the OS.

I'm a software developer with 7 years commercial experience and have worked on a few operating systems in my time. (I'm not a hardware guru but know a bit about software) and I prefer the Macs over MS Windows everytime. This is because of the simplicity of the design and the userbility. Macs are based on the Unix OS (BSD architecture) which is one of the most stable on the planet. It's old school without the jazz. I mostly develop on Windows and Linux at the office but play on my Mac at home. The simplicity of it is too good to consider changing to MS Windows. I particularly love not having to look for drivers everytime a friend or family comes over with some hardware.

I can't comment on your individual experiences but will say that it comes as a surprise to read of them. Especially seeing that they have been bad enough for some to put both the Unix OS and the Window OS on the same stability level. In all the companies I've worked in we reboot Unix OSs on average about once a month but Windows OSs every week. My MAC is almost permantely on (the last reboot was about 2 months ago when I went on holiday). My PC at the office grows on memory usage when I leave it on for long a week that I'm forced to reboot. If I start listing of all the flaws on the Windows API we'll be here all day. But let's just say that I disagree that the Mac OS and the Windows OS are on the same stability level. I must say though that I'm yet to fully test Windows Vista.

Please don't take me as a 'Mac hippy'. I just think that's it's a bit unfair for people to come away with the idea that Macs are meant to crash that often. A crash usually comes from memory read/write on a restricted area - often the OS memory. The Unix architecture doesn't allow that. Each program is completely isolated from the next and one can't write to another's memory. MS Windows used to allow that (hence the crash galore in the old days) but have addressed the problem from Windows 2000. However that was only one of it's many flaws.

I'm a believer of simplicity. The best films, books, sports person, software designs to me are the ones that make the subject matter simple. They are so simple in fact that you are fooled to believe that it's easy to achieve. That's what Macs bring. Plug in without drivers are not easy although they seem so - Windows haven't nailed it yet. Complete hardware search (Spotlight) is not easy to achieve. One root file system that everything directory is a child of is not easy. Switching users without logging both out is not easy. The list goes on.

I agree that both OSs have their drawbacks but you can't list them and think they are close - or correlated.
 
Sure, that's all OS X... not the over-priced, out-dated hardware. Under-supported, etc, etc.

I love OS X, I don't love Apple Hardware.
 
http://www.osx86project.org/

Dive in at your own risk. I am building a PC (as soon as I get rid of my other Core 2 Duo) to run OS X/XP/VISTA 64.

But OS X isn't too flawless on a PC right now. You basically have to build a machine to accomodate. But it's better, to me, than buying a Quad Xeon.

And to that effect, you're doing yourself a favor anyway because generally you'd pick up a Core 2 Duo compatabile board and be able to upgrade the CPU to the native Quads later this year.

The only reason I'm running OS X at home, as far as I can think of right now, is Final Cut Studio. Otherwise I kinda have no use for it; XP is plenty stable for me when coupled with ZoneAlarm.
 
Yeah stability with xp is not a problem....it would be nice to have a system where i could run ppro and final cut
 
You know I wish Premiere developers would step up to the plate and offer DVCproHD support and native MXF support. I might not have an issue trying to run OS X.
 
BLUESPIDER said:
Would getting more RAM and a better video help in speed? We will upgrade to CS3 but damn, let us learn and master CS2 first.
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If you purchased CS2, you can download the public beta of CS3 for the Intel Macs FREE.

I have been using it for a couple of weeks.

I realy like it and it has not crashed once. CS3 Bridge has some wierd moments, slows down here and there.

I do some fairly high res stuff with lots of layers. files are typically just under a gig. Using CS2 on the Intel Mac sucks. I couldn't believe this is what everyone was hot for. But CS3 on the Mac Pro is very light on the controls and the new features are very nice. If you haven't already done so I'd recommend checking out CS3.

I have 5GB's of RAM and the XT1900 graphics card. I'm not sure what difference the graphics card makes but I doubt the additional gig of RAM makes that much difference.
 
Macs are a scam. I used to be a Mac guy when it was cool to fight the PC world. Then once I learned the Windows OS, I was surprised by how "not like" all of the Mac Faithful had warned me it was. Since then, every time I've gone back to a Mac, I've been disappointed. They were slower, they crawled more, and if a program sucked, you had far fewer options to replace it. I recently used a top of the line Mac with FCP for the first time and was just ready to be wowed. The thing would constantly hang on simple things like checking folders while I was using the program. And everything I did in the program was about a quarter of the speed of everything I could do in Premiere on a 4 year old PC. The only thing Macs are good for is if you're using one program and that's it. As long as you keep it VERY simple, they're not a problem. But it's things like the photoshop story here that really upsets me about Macintosh. They always seem to have these little hang-ups like that that aren't "technically" the systems fault, but they still slow your system down to a crawl when you're using the program, so it might as well be.
 
I wouldnt say they're a scam at all. They're great machines. CS3 on an 8 core is hardly going to suck. It's a matter of taste. I use both.
 
FAct is, macs ARE a scam but they are a much more intuative environment (for yself atleast) than PCs.

But come on, they are over priced.

-rook
 
The eight cores aren't even true eight cores. They're just two duals stuffed into one chip multiplied by two. Sorry, this run of Eight Core Macs isn't going to do much more than the Xeon Quads are doing right now.

Real power comes later this year when the native Quads are released. ONE of those Native Quads will perform at the same level, if not consistantly better, than two faux quads.
 
c.g._eads said:
The only thing Macs are good for is if you're using one program and that's it. As long as you keep it VERY simple, they're not a problem. But it's things like the photoshop story here that really upsets me about Macintosh. They always seem to have these little hang-ups like that that aren't "technically" the systems fault, but they still slow your system down to a crawl when you're using the program, so it might as well be.
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Sounds like a bit of user incompetence perhaps. I'm no mac fanboy just for the sake of it, but I use them daily for high level national work and they work like a charm. Macs are just computers (as are PCs), and just like the rest, if they're not operated correctly or efficiently, you'll have problems. I run everything under the sun, all at once. I render in 3D, composite in AE, rawk my itunes, upload via ftp, surf the web, im, check my email, and design in photoshop/illustrator all concurrently. Not a hickup.

They're just tools. Some people are just better with them than others.
 
Hmmmm. I, ilke Kai, must be a frickin' genius since I'm able to leave my MBP running for a week while opening and closing FCP multiple times, leaving Mail, Safari and iChat running and often dipping into Photoshop and InDesign (CS2 running via Rosetta) with nary a hiccup.

Yeah, nothing's perfect. And I assume PCs have come a long way since I begrudgingly handed in my Amiga and went Mac. And I wish Algore wasn't on the board. Hmmmm. Politics and Mac vs. PC -- how long before this thread gets shut down? :)
 
kai said:
They're just tools. Some people are just better with them than others.
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Exactly... and sometimes you just get a crappy machine. I've known people of both persuasions that have a hard time running multiple apps at the same time. Meanwhile, I sit with my 4 1/2 year old machine with 10 firefox tabs, Photoshop, iTunes and my RAW photo browser open and have no worries.
 
JasonFox said:
Hmmmm. I, ilke Kai, must be a frickin' genius since I'm able to leave my MBP running for a week while opening and closing FCP multiple times, leaving Mail, Safari and iChat running and often dipping into Photoshop and InDesign (CS2 running via Rosetta) with nary a hiccup.

Yeah, nothing's perfect. And I assume PCs have come a long way since I begrudgingly handed in my Amiga and went Mac. And I wish Algore wasn't on the board. Hmmmm. Politics and Mac vs. PC -- how long before this thread gets shut down? :)
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I just picked up an Amiga 3000 on ebay a couple of months ago. I wish what happened to them didn't happen to them or I'd be an Amiga devotee right now instead of running Windows on a PC.

I run Linux at home, but there's not a lot of pro-level software for it... bummer...
 
I need to pull my A3000 and A500 out of my parents' basement and see if I can get anything to work. I'm sure all of my disks are toast by now. I know the Amiga OS has been resurrected (there's a thread on here about it somewhere), but I've got too much other stuff in my life to worry about it now. Like justifying all the money I spend on film gear.
 
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