An important accessory: the Follow Focus - Lets start a database of information.

TimurCivan

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I reviewed the Shoot35 Follow Focus on my blog. But i'll repost my findings here. If you want to see it with more pictures, check my blog here... http://tinyurl.com/269yg58


If you guys have any thoughts on other FF units, please post them here. lets start a data base for new AF100 users looking for information regarding this often tricky purchase.

This thread is chock full of information and opinions. Thanks Terry!

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?232053-Mid-Price-Range-Follow-Focus-units
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"The gracious Wayne Kinney of Shoot 35 LTD, provided me with his new CINEFocus Follow Focus unit to use on the production of "A Verse Before Dying". ( pardon the lack of a camera in the photo... i needed the 5D to take the picture and i have no other camera right now )

I have to admit, i am VERY VERY picky about what follow focus i use. I have never owned one for more than a month because i honestly hate almost all of them and refuse to pay money for somethign that leaves me feeling, well, blah. I have bought and sold, borrowed, and rented just about every follow focus on the market. The only ones i have found that i like are the Arri Studio FF4 Follow Focus a multi thousand dollar unit or the O'connor CFF1, again a multi thousand dollar unit. However, now for the first time in the indie market price point, the CINEFocus, which is modestly priced at 349 GBP, or around $540. I was an 1st AC for a long time and I've spent a lot of time with these things. The follow focus is a tool that has less to do with looks or brand, and more about feel. Its a moving part. Smoothness, movement slack, ease of use, and solidity are as important as its ability to turn the focus wheel.

The high end follow focus units mentioned above are both smooth, have very little slack, but more importantly have feel. That is to say you can feel the stiffness of the lens barrel, or whether there is an issue with the lens like any binding or grinding. Also another big factor is the response to small adjustments. The CINEfocus scored high marks from me in this feel category. There is almost no play whatsoever between the movements of the focus knob, and the transmission of that moment to the lens barrel. I don't know what kind of gears it has inside whether metal, or plastic, but they provide a very positive, active feel to the user.

The unit itself is well engineered, the marking discs are easily removable and held in place with magnets. A very clever solution to the occasional problem of the marking disc coming unseated, and the user not noticing. The Chroziel Follow Focus does this occasionally. If the marking disc is unseated on a CINEfocus, you will know because it will hang loose and swinging off the knob. It's either on, or off. No almost. The marking disc is a nice hybrid of the flat, and cone shaped marking discs. You can mark on either the frontal cone shaped surface or the top flat edge for off angles. The derlin is perfectly smooth, and cleans easily with standard dry erase markers. The .8 pitch gear is removable and you can reattach it to the other side of the post. The small steel pin you see in the photo below. This gives you some nice flexibility when allocating precious real estate on the 15mm mini rods. The only knock i have against the CINEfocus is that this operation requires tools. The tools are included with the follow focus, but still, a tool-less method would be welcome. Perhaps this is why the operational feel is so good, less wiggle room in the drive chain. If it came down to good feel, or tool-less gear adjustment, i would leave it as is, and retain the good feel. Another welcome addition could potentially be a reversal gear for Nikon lenses. I personally use mostly PL lenses so its not an issue for me personally, but i can see some AC's not used to Nikon lenses wishing for the option.




The marking point is 360 degree adjustable, you see it above in red. This is pretty standard, but shockingly useful, when the camera is up high.

As far as features go, the CINEfocus is a straight forward no nonsense tool. The simple basics, executed well. Some follow focus units look cool, some can do many things and have a lot of customization, but they often lack feel, and performance. The CINEfocus is thoughtfully designed, efficient, and robustly built.

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I received the unit in an excellent locking flight case, in precut foam, with an extra marking disc and a few extra accessories to sample. The speed crank and accessory port on the Focus handle itself is industry standard. Its nice to know that parts are interchange able. The Arri whip that i have functions perfectly in the CINEfocus, the fit is snug with no play, but still isn't overly tight as can be the case with some other manufacturers components. This means the tolerances to the standard are very high. Thats a very good thing. Below you can see the close ups on the Arri whip and Shoot35 speed crank.




The Shoot35 Flex gears, the cine pitch removable gears for still lenses, are quite nice. The design is simple, flexible, and robust, and surprisingly, VERY affordable. Each ring costing around 50$ a piece. If you buy in bulk, more than 5 at a time the price drop significantly to around $30 a piece. This makes gearing all your still glass a possibility without breaking the bank. As you can see the clasps are milled out of aluminum, and they provide a tight grip on the lenses. I had used them on a Canon 24-105 F4L lens with great success. It takes seconds to attach, and once attached there is little reason to remove them. Similar to Zacuto Zip gears, they have a low profile and don't impede hand focusing, but at a fraction of the cost.

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Over all, based on my time with the Shoot35 CINEfocus, i have to say i would definitely buy this product. It performs like a more expensive unit, and is actually one of the cheaper options on the market. I'm impressed. "
 
Nice review. How does it compare to the Redrock? These are the two I'm deciding between. So far the Shoot35 has been winning me over. Reverse gear would be nice, but I can live without it.
 
I heard good things about the cinevate durus. Looks like a tank. any experience with it? I've used the redrock FF and the Petroff FF. They're just okay, Redrock being the better value.
 
After seeing the video of the Redrock v3 (from NAB I think, or another show) that's the one I'll be getting. It has a studio style option (wheel on both sides), built-in hard stops, and is reversible. I currently have a Durus, but will be selling it when the Redrock v3 comes out. The Shoot35 will cost more than the Redrock v2 because of the currency exchange rate and international shipping. I imagine the v3 will be at least $1000, however I don't know that for sure and am only speculating on the price.
 
Thank you for the glowing review Timur. I've been waiting for shoot35 to finish their mattebox so that I could buy both.
 
Nice review, Timur. I bought a Shoot35 Cine Focus last month after doing a bunch of research online. I agree with your comments about its feel and build quality. As mentioned above, I do wish it had a reverse gear, but that's not enough to make me disappointed in it.

As for building a database, there were some good comments in a thread I created while trying to decide which FF to buy.
 
RedRock I believe stated that the V3 FF will be around $700 without lens gears. Not a bad price at all but I'm curious how the cinefocus stacks up next to the current redrock V2 FF.
 
RedRock I believe stated that the V3 FF will be around $700 without lens gears. Not a bad price at all but I'm curious how the cinefocus stacks up next to the current redrock V2 FF.

I think that's also not the Studio version which will have wheels on both sides.
 
I have not tried the latest redrock. I used an older one. I wasn't thrilled.


Hey mikeAF, the shoot35 CINEfocus runs 350GBP, or about 500$. Shipping if I remeber correctly for my sgblade was about 35$. There is no VAT tax.
 
After seeing the video of the Redrock v3 (from NAB I think, or another show) that's the one I'll be getting. It has a studio style option (wheel on both sides), built-in hard stops, and is reversible. I currently have a Durus, but will be selling it when the Redrock v3 comes out. The Shoot35 will cost more than the Redrock v2 because of the currency exchange rate and international shipping. I imagine the v3 will be at least $1000, however I don't know that for sure and am only speculating on the price.

http://www.freshdv.com/2010/04/freshdv-nab-2010-redrock-micro.html

Looks nice!

$699 and $1150 for the studio.
 
I just purchased the durus so once it arrives i can report back. My main selling feature on that unit was the all aluminium build, custom made metal gears/bearing design in the box with lifetime warrenty and its wide gears for focal ring travel. I will be using nikon lenses and the 85 1.4 travels a bit, i know would slide off the shoot 35. Good thread timur, im new to owning a FF so ill have to test this one out and see what i like.
 
I have not tried the latest redrock. I used an older one. I wasn't thrilled.


Hey mikeAF, the shoot35 CINEfocus runs 350GBP, or about 500$. Shipping if I remeber correctly for my sgblade was about 35$. There is no VAT tax.

Actually it's about $600 and I wanted to be able to reverse the gearing for use with still lenses. Unfortunately the Redrock reverse gear for v2 was a terrible design so I sent the whole thing back and am waiting for the v3. I'd maybe settle for the Shoot35, but I want a follow focus that can be flipped around so the wheel is on the dumb side of the camera without having to remove anything else from the rods. The Redrock v2 was the only one that could do that. With the v3 you can have wheels on both sides and still remove the follow focus from the rods very easily. This makes things smoother on set and slows you down a lot less when you have to make changes to the camera rig.
 
I just purchased the durus so once it arrives i can report back. My main selling feature on that unit was the all aluminium build, custom made metal gears/bearing design in the box with lifetime warrenty and its wide gears for focal ring travel. I will be using nikon lenses and the 85 1.4 travels a bit, i know would slide off the shoot 35. Good thread timur, im new to owning a FF so ill have to test this one out and see what i like.

I have one that goes out with my RED MX kit, it's very nice and very solid. I'll probably go a different route for my AF100 tho.
 
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